211 Vs Honda/Audi

[Boggy]

I've got to say having read the article in this week's Autocar, I now think that the 2 11 would beat either a Honda or Audi engine's car it even beat the 911 GT3 RS! If they'd have changed the tyres for it's wet run's, that to would have been a different story. The 2 11 is a fantastic machine

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/...

Boggy

Edited by Boggy on Tuesday 18th September 11:03

[noodleman]

Looking at the time EVO got round Bedford, I'd be inclined to agree.

[kevin ritson]

An SC Honda or Audi car would be be quicker I reckon, (which would be a fair comparison, after all - they're all running forced induction)

But it's about more than laptimes

[Boggy]

kevin ritson said:

An SC Honda or Audi car would be be quicker I reckon, (which would be a fair comparison, after all - they're all running forced induction)

But it's about more than laptimes

Sorry Kevin,

I think the 2 11 would beat it by some margin as well

Boggy

[noodleman]

I can't remember the time but the 211 was several seconds faster around Bedford than the Exige S.

[Boggy]

noodleman said:

I can't remember the time but the 211 was several seconds faster around Bedford than the Exige S.

I know and it's 4 second's a lap quicker round Hethal than the Cup they had to test against as well

Boggy

[Benmac]

Are we comparing like with like though? Assuming the Honda or Audi converted cars are Elises or Exiges whilst light they do have some semblance of habitability (i.e. rooves and windscreens) that the 211 doesn't.

A more exacting question would be a Honda S/C 340R vs 211???

[Boggy]

Benmac said:

Are we comparing like with like though? Assuming the Honda or Audi converted cars are Elises or Exiges whilst light they do have some semblance of habitability (i.e. rooves and windscreens) that the 211 doesn't.

A more exacting question would be a Honda S/C 340R vs 211???

Still think it would beat it? Anyone know what time the S/c 340R did around Bedford?

Boggy

[kevin ritson]

An S1 doesn't weigh much more than a 2-Eleven. An SC Honda is running c300Bhp, an Audi probably more. That's more than a 2-Eleven. Downforce depends on what you put it up against, eg: an Elise Trophy Class C car such as Randy or Scuffham's.

I'm not knocking the 2-Eleven, I think it's a fantastic car. But for out and out speed you would need to go the non-standard route.

[Boggy]

kevin ritson said:

An S1 doesn't weigh much more than a 2-Eleven. An SC Honda is running c300Bhp, an Audi probably more. That's more than a 2-Eleven. Downforce depends on what you put it up against, eg: an Elise Trophy Class C car such as Randy or Scuffham's.

I'm not knocking the 2-Eleven, I think it's a fantastic car. But for out and out speed you would need to go the non-standard route.

What's the best laptop time at Bedford for either of their car's? I bet the 2 11 is faster

Boggy

[S Works]

I'm sorry but I think you're wrong Boggy. An SC'd Honda, or an Audi'd car would utterly rape a 2-11 around Bedford. It's a track where power and set-up are king. And are we talking about having all the trick electronics switched off or on?

Anyway, this is all internet/pub-talk with no basis for comparison in reality. We'll see how they all cope on various racetracks next season. Gavin Kirby will be racing one in the LOTRDC series, and the man can drive so it'll be interesting for sure.

[S Works]

Boggy said:

noodleman said:

I can't remember the time but the 211 was several seconds faster around Bedford than the Exige S.

I know and it's 4 second's a lap quicker round Hethal than the Cup they had to test against as well

Boggy

Because compared to the 2-11 both are lard-arses with poor standard suspension set-ups and brakes which can't cope with more than a couple of hot laps without wetting the bed.

[S Works]

P.S. I'd still happily have a 2-11 though if I had the money (to have one AND an SC'd Honda'd 340R).

[Boggy]

Sorry Tim I don't think it will mate

Boggy

[Boggy]

S Works said:

I'm sorry but I think you're wrong Boggy. An SC'd Honda, or an Audi'd car would utterly rape a 2-11 around Bedford. It's a track where power and set-up are king. And are we talking about having all the trick electronics switched off or on?

Anyway, this is all internet/pub-talk with no basis for comparison in reality. We'll see how they all cope on various racetracks next season. Gavin Kirby will be racing one in the LOTRDC series, and the man can drive so it'll be interesting for sure.

Great at last some factory win's next year in the series then

Boggy

[S Works]

Boggy said:

Sorry Tim I don't think it will mate

Boggy

I know you're on a wind-up, so I'll let you have your day mate. If you got to a trackday and actually went out in a Honda or Audi'd car, or if you'd been on track when some of the really quick boys are out, you'd probably think differently.

No doubt the 2-11 is a good, quick car, but it's not infallible.

Boggy said:

S Works said:

I'm sorry but I think you're wrong Boggy. An SC'd Honda, or an Audi'd car would utterly rape a 2-11 around Bedford. It's a track where power and set-up are king. And are we talking about having all the trick electronics switched off or on?

Anyway, this is all internet/pub-talk with no basis for comparison in reality. We'll see how they all cope on various racetracks next season. Gavin Kirby will be racing one in the LOTRDC series, and the man can drive so it'll be interesting for sure.

Great at last some factory win's next year in the series then

Boggy

you must be kidding. The factory won't enter a car, unless I'm much mistaken Gavin's bought it. Rhetoric aside, it will be good to see a car from Lotus Sport competing against the established, race-bred conversions. If nothing else it will prove how good they are. That said, Kirby's Exige has been very strong in Class A this year from what I've read, so no reason to assume the 2-11 won't be a contender.

Better to see these racing than to see more stupid special edition Exige lard-asses like that Club Racer being trotted out as the new sliced-bread.

Here's hoping that it does well enough for Lotus to consider the idea of having a single-make racing series (like the Caterham grads) in '08/'09 with multiple engine options.

[Boggy]

S Works said:

Boggy said:

Sorry Tim I don't think it will mate

Boggy

I know you're on a wind-up, so I'll let you have your day mate. If you got to a trackday and actually went out in a Honda or Audi'd car, or if you'd been on track when some of the really quick boys are out, you'd probably think differently.

No doubt the 2-11 is a good, quick car, but it's not infallible.

Boggy said:

S Works said:

I'm sorry but I think you're wrong Boggy. An SC'd Honda, or an Audi'd car would utterly rape a 2-11 around Bedford. It's a track where power and set-up are king. And are we talking about having all the trick electronics switched off or on?

Anyway, this is all internet/pub-talk with no basis for comparison in reality. We'll see how they all cope on various racetracks next season. Gavin Kirby will be racing one in the LOTRDC series, and the man can drive so it'll be interesting for sure.

Great at last some factory win's next year in the series then

Boggy

you must be kidding. The factory won't enter a car, unless I'm much mistaken Gavin's bought it. Rhetoric aside, it will be good to see a car from Lotus Sport competing against the established, race-bred conversions. If nothing else it will prove how good they are. That said, Kirby's Exige has been very strong in Class A this year from what I've read, so no reason to assume the 2-11 won't be a contender.

Better to see these racing than to see more stupid special edition Exige lard-asses like that Club Racer being trotted out as the new sliced-bread.

Here's hoping that it does well enough for Lotus to consider the idea of having a single-make racing series (like the Caterham grads) in '08/'09 with multiple engine options.

Yay ! you love it mate

Boggy

[Gooby]

S Works said:

No doubt a Hoonda'd car is a good, quick car, but it's not infallible.

I am with Boggy, I have seen the vid of Kirby at Plans. That guy is posessed and a 2-11 in those hands will be interesting.

[kinetic]

There won't be a great deal in it but the Honda S/C Exige will be quicker than the 2-11 unless Gav Kershaw himself is driving it - then again he would win outright in the LOT races if he turned up in a 200hp 1.8k series!

To put it in perspective the 2-11 will need to be 10-12 secs a lap quicker than a Mk2 Exige to compete on equal terms with a well driven S/C HONDA.

[Boggy]

kinetic said:

There won't be a great deal in it but the Honda S/C Exige will be quicker than the 2-11 unless Gav Kershaw himself is driving it - then again he would win outright in the LOT races if he turned up in a 200hp 1.8k series!

To put it in perspective the 2-11 will need to be 10-12 secs a lap quicker than a Mk2 Exige to compete on equal terms with a well driven S/C HONDA.

That's interesting as I think it is? it's at least 7 second's a lap quicker than my Car

Boggy