Performance Figures
Discussion
If you find the original Autocar test of the cars then that'll probably have mid range figures. I'm away in Somerset on work till Friday, but I have original 111R test at home in Hampshire - I'll post on here over the weekend if the test has the information you're after.
What are you planning? you seem to be after this for quite a few different cars
What are you planning? you seem to be after this for quite a few different cars
RobM77 said:
If you find the original Autocar test of the cars then that'll probably have mid range figures. I'm away in Somerset on work till Friday, but I have original 111R test at home in Hampshire - I'll post on here over the weekend if the test has the information you're after.
What are you planning? you seem to be after this for quite a few different cars
A colleague is picking up a 07 Civic Type R (which is why there is a very similar post from him on PH asking for the same info on the Type R) and I am soon to be picking up an Elise. I was just interested in the comparisonsWhat are you planning? you seem to be after this for quite a few different cars
riwiho said:
RobM77 said:
If you find the original Autocar test of the cars then that'll probably have mid range figures. I'm away in Somerset on work till Friday, but I have original 111R test at home in Hampshire - I'll post on here over the weekend if the test has the information you're after.
What are you planning? you seem to be after this for quite a few different cars
A colleague is picking up a 07 Civic Type R (which is why there is a very similar post from him on PH asking for the same info on the Type R) and I am soon to be picking up an Elise. I was just interested in the comparisonsWhat are you planning? you seem to be after this for quite a few different cars
I didn't check the usernames as the text was so similar I'll check the Autocar test when I get home tonight or tomorrow and let you know. There's a fair bit on the web: http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/RoadTestsData/... I'm not sure if the magazine expands on that at all. You're dead right looking for those in gear figures, as obviously the Elise is going to have masses more traction off the line - the Civic is the worst layour for standing starts (FWD), and the Elise is the best (RWD with engine over the driven wheels).
The 30 - 70 figure through the gears is usually the same give or take a 10th of a second to the 0-60 figure
So for the elise s it's probably 5.6 or so 30 - 70
the 30 - 70 and 0 - 100 figures are the ones to look at, 30 - 70 gives a better indication of the cars realworld overtaking punch through the gears, than 0 - 60, and the 0 - 100 figure gives an indication of how well the car pulls towards the top end.
So for the elise s it's probably 5.6 or so 30 - 70
the 30 - 70 and 0 - 100 figures are the ones to look at, 30 - 70 gives a better indication of the cars realworld overtaking punch through the gears, than 0 - 60, and the 0 - 100 figure gives an indication of how well the car pulls towards the top end.
peter450 said:
30 - 70 gives a better indication of the cars realworld overtaking punch through the gears, than 0 - 60
Don't want to nitpick, but by your own assassment further up, 0-60 and 30-70 is practically the same anyway, so how can it be a better indication of realworld performance?I'v already had this with Rob a while back and I still don't quite agree on the similarities between the figures, as it's more dependant on gearing and the power delivery. In the case of the Yota cars with not very optimal gearing and low torque up until 2nd cam......
well the reason i like the 30 - 70 figure more is because when i'm doing most of my overtaking at least me personally, i tend to already be moving so a 0 - 60 time is less helpful since half of that figure is being calculated in first gear, which i wont be in, i like to know the cars 2nd an 3rd gear figures which are the gears i'l most likely be using when i am overtaking. an thay are better represented in a 30 - 70 figure, idelly i like them to do a 30 - 90 which would be just perfect but they always seem to stop at 70
30-70 through the gears is a good indication of real world overtaking performance and those earlier quoted figures from Autocar would seem pretty accurate for the Elise R. An ECU reflash should see a couple of tenths knocked off the time as the high lift cam would be reached sooner in 2nd gear.
I would reckon on the Elise S achieving 30-70 through the gears in a shade under 6 seconds.
In gear times would be a different matter. I wouldn't reckon on the Elise S being any slower than the R up to silly speeds.
Some cars can differ quite significantly between 0-60 and 30-70 times. Take my old (EP3)Civic Type R for example. Around 5 and-a-half seconds 30-70 through the gears, not bad. She was an absolute bugger to launch quickly though, taking over 6.4 seconds from rest to 60. That in itself was Honda's figure. Not a chance in hell of achieving that in the real world
0-60 is a largely irrelevant figure, although there are occasions where the Elise's superb traction off the line comes in handy. A recent drive on wet roads left me impressed just how much throttle can be applied from standstill without generating wheelspin. In a straight line, of course
I would reckon on the Elise S achieving 30-70 through the gears in a shade under 6 seconds.
In gear times would be a different matter. I wouldn't reckon on the Elise S being any slower than the R up to silly speeds.
Some cars can differ quite significantly between 0-60 and 30-70 times. Take my old (EP3)Civic Type R for example. Around 5 and-a-half seconds 30-70 through the gears, not bad. She was an absolute bugger to launch quickly though, taking over 6.4 seconds from rest to 60. That in itself was Honda's figure. Not a chance in hell of achieving that in the real world
0-60 is a largely irrelevant figure, although there are occasions where the Elise's superb traction off the line comes in handy. A recent drive on wet roads left me impressed just how much throttle can be applied from standstill without generating wheelspin. In a straight line, of course
ok, as promised I've got the road test from Feb 2004, and this is what it says:
mph sec
30 1.9
40 2.9
50 4.0
60 5.1
70 6.8
80 8.5
90 70.4
100 13.0
110 16.1
120 22.8
130 28.7
0-400m 13.8 secs
0-1000m 26.5 secs
30-70 in gears 4.9secs
acceleration in gears is given, but given that gearing is personal thing for the cars your comparing, I'm not sure that it's relevant.
hope that helps
mph sec
30 1.9
40 2.9
50 4.0
60 5.1
70 6.8
80 8.5
90 70.4
100 13.0
110 16.1
120 22.8
130 28.7
0-400m 13.8 secs
0-1000m 26.5 secs
30-70 in gears 4.9secs
acceleration in gears is given, but given that gearing is personal thing for the cars your comparing, I'm not sure that it's relevant.
hope that helps
RobM77 said:
ok, as promised I've got the road test from Feb 2004, and this is what it says:
mph sec
30 1.9
40 2.9
50 4.0
60 5.1
70 6.8
80 8.5
90 70.4
100 13.0
110 16.1
120 22.8
130 28.7
0-400m 13.8 secs
0-1000m 26.5 secs
30-70 in gears 4.9secs
acceleration in gears is given, but given that gearing is personal thing for the cars your comparing, I'm not sure that it's relevant.
hope that helps
Yeah thats great info. Thanks.mph sec
30 1.9
40 2.9
50 4.0
60 5.1
70 6.8
80 8.5
90 70.4
100 13.0
110 16.1
120 22.8
130 28.7
0-400m 13.8 secs
0-1000m 26.5 secs
30-70 in gears 4.9secs
acceleration in gears is given, but given that gearing is personal thing for the cars your comparing, I'm not sure that it's relevant.
hope that helps
Speed is certainly not everything and in a Lotus its all about the way the car moves, its fantastic. I have to admit that I am having real trouble choosing between the R and the S...............one month to make a decision
riwiho said:
RobM77 said:
ok, as promised I've got the road test from Feb 2004, and this is what it says:
mph sec
30 1.9
40 2.9
50 4.0
60 5.1
70 6.8
80 8.5
90 70.4
100 13.0
110 16.1
120 22.8
130 28.7
0-400m 13.8 secs
0-1000m 26.5 secs
30-70 in gears 4.9secs
acceleration in gears is given, but given that gearing is personal thing for the cars your comparing, I'm not sure that it's relevant.
hope that helps
Yeah thats great info. Thanks.mph sec
30 1.9
40 2.9
50 4.0
60 5.1
70 6.8
80 8.5
90 70.4
100 13.0
110 16.1
120 22.8
130 28.7
0-400m 13.8 secs
0-1000m 26.5 secs
30-70 in gears 4.9secs
acceleration in gears is given, but given that gearing is personal thing for the cars your comparing, I'm not sure that it's relevant.
hope that helps
Speed is certainly not everything and in a Lotus its all about the way the car moves, its fantastic. I have to admit that I am having real trouble choosing between the R and the S...............one month to make a decision
For me it's the way it feeds back what's going on - it's the conversation between you and road. Like your best friend or perfect woman, the Elise has a constant relaxed and informative conversation with you, where some cars either don't say anything or shout random things at you peter450 said:
well the reason i like the 30 - 70 figure more is because when i'm doing most of my overtaking at least me personally, i tend to already be moving so a 0 - 60 time is less helpful since half of that figure is being calculated in first gear, which i wont be in, i like to know the cars 2nd an 3rd gear figures which are the gears i'l most likely be using when i am overtaking. an thay are better represented in a 30 - 70 figure, idelly i like them to do a 30 - 90 which would be just perfect but they always seem to stop at 70
Agreed. 30-70 is a lot more applicable to real-world use. Be aware though, on a Elise-R, at 30mph, you're not anywhere close near 2nd cam and as a result, are in a rev-range where there's not much torque available.When going from 0-60, you can dodge this because you're reving through the gutless midrange in 1st gear and staying on-cam through the gears after that. Doesn't work in in-gear acceleration.
If someone has torque figures of the Elise-S and exact gear-ratios, I could draw a graph to show in which gears at which speed which is quicker. The Elise-S only has a 5 speed manual btw, so it may very well be, that the R still is quicker at in-gear acceleration because of the shorter ratios. The S does have more midrange torque though - as does the K series 111S as well btw.
Mr_C said:
My 118bhp S1 does quarter miles in 14.41 @ 93mph all day long. I can't beat that time, but I can repeat it every time.
Mine standard did 14.1....With Hurricane, 52mmTB, Larini Exhaust and 4-2-1 (roughly 130-135bhp) it'll do 13.7-13.8 all day long
SHould be a bit quicker now with new rubber and less weight, but I'll have to leave that to the new owner to discover.Just bought myself a performancebox and found out my '87 Mitsubishi Mirage does 0-60 in 15.1
Just waiting for the Exige to arrive so I can have a play
Esprit said:
Mr_C said:
My 118bhp S1 does quarter miles in 14.41 @ 93mph all day long. I can't beat that time, but I can repeat it every time.
Mine standard did 14.1....With Hurricane, 52mmTB, Larini Exhaust and 4-2-1 (roughly 130-135bhp) it'll do 13.7-13.8 all day long
SHould be a bit quicker now with new rubber and less weight, but I'll have to leave that to the new owner to discover.Just bought myself a performancebox and found out my '87 Mitsubishi Mirage does 0-60 in 15.1
Just waiting for the Exige to arrive so I can have a play
lol.
When's your exige arriving George?
(Paul_C off SELOC btw)
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