Community Policing

[hutchingsp]

Found on another forum and posted by someone who found it on another forum so probably a repost

What do people make of this?

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/240907_uk_film...

[vonhosen]

Fuss about nothing.

[Busa_Rush]

Newbie arseholes trying to be stropy, experienced plod would have just walked away, not even gone near the garden, hopefully. Why do they allow people like that to be plod ?

[polus]

It's that kind of behavior that gives people an excuse to moan about the police. And if they arnt sure why did she argue that it was an offence? No need for any of that.

[crankedup]

100% agree with last poster, also its hard to swallow that people like this are put into an uniform to serve the public and yet walk the streets with the wrong attitude.

[M5Dave]

I don't know why this gives people an excuse to moan about the police, I thought they were very restrained in their dealings with him, and its a measure of how much things have changed in this country over the years.

Twenty odd years ago, the camera would have been smashed to pieces, he'd have had the shit kicked out him, then been jailed.

Whether this is a change for better or worse is a matter of opinion.

[polus]

M5Dave said:

I don't know why this gives people an excuse to moan about the police, I thought they were very restrained in their dealings with him, and its a measure of how much things have changed in this country over the years.

Restrained in what? Accusing him of acting illegally when its not. Why didnt they just ignore the idiot? What exactly was he doing in your opinion that deserved a kick-in?

[vonhosen]

polus said:

M5Dave said:

I don't know why this gives people an excuse to moan about the police, I thought they were very restrained in their dealings with him, and its a measure of how much things have changed in this country over the years.

Restrained in what? Accusing him of acting illegally when its not. Why didnt they just ignore the idiot? What exactly was he doing in your opinion that deserved a kick-in?

I may be wrong, but I don't think the thrust of the message was that he deserved a kicking. Just that twenty years ago if you filmed a Police Officer & then gave back chat when confronted, that was a likely outcome, unlike today.

[mark69sheer]

vonhosen said:

polus said:

M5Dave said:

I don't know why this gives people an excuse to moan about the police, I thought they were very restrained in their dealings with him, and its a measure of how much things have changed in this country over the years.

Restrained in what? Accusing him of acting illegally when its not. Why didnt they just ignore the idiot? What exactly was he doing in your opinion that deserved a kick-in?

I may be wrong, but I don't think the thrust of the message was that he deserved a kicking. Just that twenty years ago if you filmed a Police Officer & then gave back chat when confronted, that was a likely outcome, unlike today.

seems he was stating his rights not back chatting. If he hadn't told the police where they were making a mistake they wouldn't have rang their superiors for confirmation and would probably have arrested him for a non existant offence probably ressisting arrest when he struggled to keep the camera they would have tried to remove from him.

And why when cameras are all over the place filming everybody 24/7 do the police somehow think they have some special privileges.

I am not anti Police we need them but for the sake of the future they have to start listening to the dissent that is growing and fuelled by poor uneven policing.

[vonhosen]

mark69sheer said:

vonhosen said:

polus said:

M5Dave said:

I don't know why this gives people an excuse to moan about the police, I thought they were very restrained in their dealings with him, and its a measure of how much things have changed in this country over the years.

Restrained in what? Accusing him of acting illegally when its not. Why didnt they just ignore the idiot? What exactly was he doing in your opinion that deserved a kick-in?

I may be wrong, but I don't think the thrust of the message was that he deserved a kicking. Just that twenty years ago if you filmed a Police Officer & then gave back chat when confronted, that was a likely outcome, unlike today.

seems he was stating his rights not back chatting. If he hadn't told the police where they were making a mistake they wouldn't have rang their superiors for confirmation and would probably have arrested him for a non existant offence probably ressisting arrest when he struggled to keep the camera they would have tried to remove from him.

And why when cameras are all over the place filming everybody 24/7 do the police somehow think they have some special privileges.

I am not anti Police we need them but for the sake of the future they have to start listening to the dissent that is growing and fuelled by poor uneven policing.

I'm not saying that he wasn't totally within his rights.

I was commenting on what I believe M5Dave was getting at & that's the difference between what happens now when you question the actions of a Police officer, compared to a couple of decades ago. It wasn't all Dixon of Dock Green back then, as some people seem to think.

If you went into a Police station thirty years ago to make a complaint about a Police officer, there was a good chance you'd have been dragged over the front counter.

Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 30th September 22:41

[GPSHead]

They were rude from start to finish. They should have apologised once they found out that they had been wrong all along. It's not so much what they said as the way they said it. Granted, the guy was a little antagonistic, but only a little (and IMHO justifiably); professional officers would have risen above it and been polite regardless.

I think that pair joined the police for the power, and not through a desire to protect the public. If you have contempt for the public in general then you have no business doing a job which involves serving them.

Thankfully most officers aren't like them. Leaves a nasty taste though. Anyone who's only had one experience with the police, where they got treated like that, is quite possibly going to think that they're all the same.

And it's unforgiveable just to walk off and ignore perfectly reasonable questions from a MoP who is not intoxicated and has committed no crime. It just reinforces the impression that they think the uniform gives them vast superiority over the public scum. "Oh damn, we can't arrest the tw@t after all; he's no use to us so let's just ignore him and go and find our next detection." Surely there's some rule which mandates officers to actually listen to people (and give their names/numbers when asked)?

An unhelpful episode all round.

[erdnase]

Interesting clip. I thought the guy with the phone was a tool at the end, though. When he walked up the path after them, offering to educate them in the law, etc, he lost my sympathy. The cops were hardly dicks either. They could have been a lot more pushy. Ok, they made a mistake and bluffed a bit, but overall they were more restrained than a lot of people would have been if confronted with that.

While I was wondering what would be to stop the cops from "restraining" him for a fictional offence, during which the camera was either "destroyed or lost", I got thinking. What if someone was filming and recording, but also streaming to a nearby computer? You could film the police, also informing them that you are streaming and recording the footage. This would make it impossible for the fictional-offence/lost-camera/kicking scenario to occur. THEN I had my masterstroke. What's to prevent you from just bluffing that you were streaming? It's a highly fictional and contrived scenario, but if those cops did get nasty, it'd have been interesting to see how they responded to that. Perhaps get search warrents for all houses within a square mile

Erd

[Sheriff JWPepper]

Strikes me the guy with the camera was a chopper, out to wind up the BiBs. I can't see that they were rude to him at any point. I would have left him to it as it was obvious that he was a wind up merchant.

[erdnase]

Upon further investigation, I can conclude the guy is a tool.

As if the Illuminati and government inside jobs weren't enough, we have this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh4R0ZLpjNg

Awesome

Erd

[M5Dave]

vonhosen said:

polus said:

M5Dave said:

I don't know why this gives people an excuse to moan about the police, I thought they were very restrained in their dealings with him, and its a measure of how much things have changed in this country over the years.

Restrained in what? Accusing him of acting illegally when its not. Why didnt they just ignore the idiot? What exactly was he doing in your opinion that deserved a kick-in?

I may be wrong, but I don't think the thrust of the message was that he deserved a kicking. Just that twenty years ago if you filmed a Police Officer & then gave back chat when confronted, that was a likely outcome, unlike today.

That's exactly the point I was making.

The man is clearly anti police. He's deliberately making a nuisance of himself, interfering in police buisness that has nothing to do with him, for no other reason than to rile the officers, in the hope that they'll do or say something that will give him grounds to go off and make an official complaint.

I think it's a testament to how things have moved on that he was dealt with in such a calm and polite manner.

I wonder how the people who think the police are totally in the wrong here would deal with this person if he turned up at their workplace and behaved in the same manner.

[NobleGuy]

crankedup said:

100% agree with last poster, also its hard to swallow that people like this are put into an uniform to serve the public and yet walk the streets with the wrong attitude.

....and let little boys drown in lakes in case they break some health & safety law. I'm not a violent person in any way shape or form, but if I was a parent of that boy I just don't know if I could stop myself finding them and giving them an 'experience' in a local lock-up garage with a blunt instrument. My big problem is there is seen to be absolutely no come-back for these people when they get it so wrong.

[Pickled Piper]

Total lack of judgement and very poor attitude displayed by the PCs. A polite enquiry as to why he was filming them would have sufficed rather than a demand to stop filming.

pp

[NobleGuy]

Pickled Piper said:

Total lack of judgement and very poor attitude displayed by the PCs. A polite enquiry as to why he was filming them would have sufficed rather than a demand to stop filming.

pp

Yep. You'd expect it maybe in Russia or China.

[Chrispy Porker]

He's obviously got a problem with the police and was looking to be Mr Awkward.
I'd have ignored him and not given him the satisfaction of a appearing to care.
He'll come again. Thay always do.

[hutchingsp]

I think the chap clearly seems to have a bit of a chip on his shoulder.

That said, I think if you're wearing the uniform and you see someone with a Camcorder a little bell would go off that there's this thing called Youtube so know the law?

Interesting that the comments here from Police seem to concentrate on the attitude of the chap rather than the attitude of the Police.

I think they could, and should have been more professional.