Lovely spec Europa S....
Lovely spec Europa S....
Author
Discussion

Zebede29

Original Poster:

322 posts

254 months

Friday 5th October 2007
quotequote all
Top Gear mag have just taken on a new long-term test Europa S in a cracking colour combo - Phantom Black with the saddle-tan leather Luxury Touring Pack. The contrasted colours look fantastic and the silver grilles on the outside make the car look superb in my opinion cool

The mag has given it a very nice warm welcome and have got the car for a year, lets hope they always give the car a glowing review in the ongoing 12 months to help Lotus with their overall sales and keep them in profit.

If TG like it, sales must surely benefit. I for one hope so anyway, I like the Europa's looks (in the right colour) and although it's a tough car to sell into its target market, I think it does at least show that Lotus have decent sized cohoonas clap

driving

Hollywood Wheels

3,689 posts

261 months

Friday 5th October 2007
quotequote all
They'll probably judge the car as they seem to judge all others........namely.........

1) Whether the stereo is 'Ipod compatible' rolleyes
2) How heavy the clutch is in solid traffic jams (none of their lazy arses seem to know about trains, as they seem to spend their whole lives sitting in traffic jams. The A406 jammed at 8am on a weekday?! You don't say!!!!!)
3) How much luggage space there is for a weekend in Tuscany rolleyes
4) How much the editor liked it when he borrowed it for two days.

The TG testers are just a bizarre bunch to me, they don't really strike me as car nuts. No doubt they'll slag the car off at the end and recommend a silver Audi TT instead.


Edited by Hollywood Wheels on Friday 5th October 20:51

Zebede29

Original Poster:

322 posts

254 months

Saturday 6th October 2007
quotequote all
To be fair the initial full-page welcome write-up was very complimentary, the author stating that Lotus have designed a pretty car with a lot of appeal to both genuine drivers and the "less automotively educated".

Hope they do the car justice in the coming months read

MW666

64 posts

255 months

Saturday 6th October 2007
quotequote all
There is one in that exact spec behind my office. - the interior looks fantastic.
The exterior shape is just wrong with awkward,clumsy design details - like at the rear.

think it would have been better has they gone for a retro shape (elite???) and marketed it a style car, for those less interested in dynamics - but still able to perform. - as it seems to now with the 225bhp upgrade

Overall, it just doesn't work as a design now - so will not get better with age.

What would be the cost of reskining and re-launching? - could lotus save this model?

LivinLaVidaLotus

1,626 posts

232 months

Saturday 6th October 2007
quotequote all
I love the look of the Europa, didn't till I saw it in the flesh. GF really likes them as well, so might have to be adding one next year for her, budget permitting.

hahithestevieboy

845 posts

245 months

Sunday 7th October 2007
quotequote all
Nice. It looks like i may have to buy a copy. These things seem to be on the classified ads for 25-30K. I may have to have a punt when the ones with the upgraded interior/brakes/ecu come down to 25K. I wonder how much thorney will end up charging for their 330bhp upgrade. That'd absolutely fly.

Boggy

4,603 posts

266 months

Sunday 7th October 2007
quotequote all
Always loved the Europa and Mrs Boggy might yet buy one in Saffron yellow. Don't write if off just yet. I've driven the latest version and it is wicked, I'll say the same thing I've been saying all along, drive it before you judge it! Not interested any longer is anybody's view who hasn't even driven it

Boggy

Edited by Boggy on Monday 8th October 09:25

S Works

10,166 posts

281 months

Sunday 7th October 2007
quotequote all
I heard about this from a mate who works at the Beeb a few weeks ago. Saw it in the car park and asked me what it was. He thought it looked great.

Zebede29

Original Poster:

322 posts

254 months

Monday 8th October 2007
quotequote all
Although not quite the same as TG's car, look at this classified ad and tell me its not a lovely car!

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/242375.htm

Mmmmmm yum yum - and at a good price too IMHO, especially with the ECU upgrade and Tracker

Lucky buyer <jealous>

Boggy

4,603 posts

266 months

Monday 8th October 2007
quotequote all
Zebede29 said:
Although not quite the same as TG's car, look at this classified ad and tell me its not a lovely car!

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/242375.htm

Mmmmmm yum yum - and at a good price too IMHO, especially with the ECU upgrade and Tracker

Lucky buyer <jealous>
Car is stunning, if they only dropped the price in the first place. Mrs Boggy wants one but were not paying any more than 30k seen a new one in Polar Blue, they will add the 225 bhp upgrade in with the price £29,995

Boggy

Edited by Boggy on Monday 8th October 12:10

Zebede29

Original Poster:

322 posts

254 months

Monday 8th October 2007
quotequote all
I want a Europa S now lol

hahithestevieboy

845 posts

245 months

Monday 8th October 2007
quotequote all
Boggy said:
Zebede29 said:
Although not quite the same as TG's car, look at this classified ad and tell me its not a lovely car!

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/242375.htm

Mmmmmm yum yum - and at a good price too IMHO, especially with the ECU upgrade and Tracker

Lucky buyer <jealous>
Car is stunning, if they only dropped the price in the first place. Mrs Boggy wants one but were not paying any more than 30k seen a new one in Polar Blue, they will add the 225 bhp upgrade in with the price £29,995

Boggy

Edited by Boggy on Monday 8th October 12:10
Seriously nice. Definately the best one yet (for a standard-ish car). Saw a black one with the tan interior at the open day which was superb and sat in the red one (hideous colour combo). New interior feels and looks gorgeous and definately gives the car a reason to exist. Price is still too rich for me tho.....

DucatiGary

7,765 posts

256 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
quotequote all
have you tried getting in one ?

seriously difficult as there is a ridge thats raised towards the rear of the door opening and then the steering wheel is out more than the elise, so you hold it closer to your chest, which I actually prefer than the stretched arm to the wheel thing going on in the elises but this aslo makes getting in and out a bit of a farce as the gap to get into is blocked by the pertruding steering wheel.

other than that, I guess they are ok.


bobo

1,726 posts

309 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
quotequote all
possibly the only problem now with the europa is the eagle that should arrive next yr.

if the original europa dash didnt kill off the product then surely the eagle will???

shame... with the upgrades its not a bad car at all!

hahithestevieboy

845 posts

245 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
quotequote all
bobo said:
possibly the only problem now with the europa is the eagle that should arrive next yr.

if the original europa dash didnt kill off the product then surely the eagle will???

shame... with the upgrades its not a bad car at all!
I found getting in and out fine, but then again I am biased.

Lotus keep making the elise and exige more comfortable which IMHO dilutes their purity and undermines the europa as a unique product.

I think that when the prices drop far enough, I will end up getting a "black and tan" (one for the irish eh) and get thorney to soup it up in stages. I wonder how much their 330bhp conversion will cost???

Christian43

666 posts

229 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
quotequote all
Went to see the black and cream Europa last week and had to buy it! I have been looking at Europas for the last year and wanted to wait a bit longer before buying one but this one was too good to miss. Wife has finally forgiven me (just)!

Nice to be back in a Lotus again. I know the Europa could do with a bit of tuning to be a serious track car but even in standard form they are great fun and easy to live with.

cheers

Christian

Boggy

4,603 posts

266 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
quotequote all
Christian43 said:
Went to see the black and cream Europa last week and had to buy it! I have been looking at Europas for the last year and wanted to wait a bit longer before buying one but this one was too good to miss. Wife has finally forgiven me (just)!

Nice to be back in a Lotus again. I know the Europa could do with a bit of tuning to be a serious track car but even in standard form they are great fun and easy to live with.

cheers

Christian
Nice one sound's cracking can you post some pictures?beer

Boggy

Christian43

666 posts

229 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
quotequote all
will do when the sun come out.

Boggy

4,603 posts

266 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
quotequote all
Christian43 said:
will do when the sun come out.
Is this the one Chistian?

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/242375.htm

Boggy

mnewlyn

413 posts

282 months

Tuesday 9th October 2007
quotequote all
that black and cream europa (christian's?) is so beautiful it nearly brings a tear to my eye, I get the same feeling looking at those pictures as i did ten years ago when I bought my elise.

Although I still love the elise, I must be ready for something new, exige or a europa.