Furious Cycling.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/art...
Interesting inequality in the sentencing structure between this offence and dangerous driving. The maximum sentence this bloke faces is two years. If he had been driving a car it would have been 14 years.
Times said:
A cyclist who collided with a pedestrain, who later died, is facing jail after admitting “wanton and furious” cycling yesterday.
Peter Messen, 28, was cycling on the pavement at 25mph. He struck 41-year-old Gary Green last April as he reached the bottom of a hill in Stenalees, Cornwall, at a speed that witnesses described as “like a bat out of hell”.
Peter Messen, 28, was cycling on the pavement at 25mph. He struck 41-year-old Gary Green last April as he reached the bottom of a hill in Stenalees, Cornwall, at a speed that witnesses described as “like a bat out of hell”.
Interesting inequality in the sentencing structure between this offence and dangerous driving. The maximum sentence this bloke faces is two years. If he had been driving a car it would have been 14 years.
plasticpig said:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/art...
Interesting inequality in the sentencing structure between this offence and dangerous driving. The maximum sentence this bloke faces is two years. If he had been driving a car it would have been 14 years.
The risk of causing death to anyone but yourself by furious cycling is pretty small though, tiny when compared with dangerous driving. Is it not more comparable with driving with due care?Times said:
A cyclist who collided with a pedestrain, who later died, is facing jail after admitting “wanton and furious” cycling yesterday.
Peter Messen, 28, was cycling on the pavement at 25mph. He struck 41-year-old Gary Green last April as he reached the bottom of a hill in Stenalees, Cornwall, at a speed that witnesses described as “like a bat out of hell”.
Peter Messen, 28, was cycling on the pavement at 25mph. He struck 41-year-old Gary Green last April as he reached the bottom of a hill in Stenalees, Cornwall, at a speed that witnesses described as “like a bat out of hell”.
Interesting inequality in the sentencing structure between this offence and dangerous driving. The maximum sentence this bloke faces is two years. If he had been driving a car it would have been 14 years.
"like a bat out of hell" ??? 25mph???? FFS..he was barely moving!
tigger1 said:
plasticpig said:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/art...
Interesting inequality in the sentencing structure between this offence and dangerous driving. The maximum sentence this bloke faces is two years. If he had been driving a car it would have been 14 years.
The risk of causing death to anyone but yourself by furious cycling is pretty small though, tiny when compared with dangerous driving. Is it not more comparable with driving with due care?Times said:
A cyclist who collided with a pedestrain, who later died, is facing jail after admitting “wanton and furious” cycling yesterday.
Peter Messen, 28, was cycling on the pavement at 25mph. He struck 41-year-old Gary Green last April as he reached the bottom of a hill in Stenalees, Cornwall, at a speed that witnesses described as “like a bat out of hell”.
Peter Messen, 28, was cycling on the pavement at 25mph. He struck 41-year-old Gary Green last April as he reached the bottom of a hill in Stenalees, Cornwall, at a speed that witnesses described as “like a bat out of hell”.
Interesting inequality in the sentencing structure between this offence and dangerous driving. The maximum sentence this bloke faces is two years. If he had been driving a car it would have been 14 years.
"like a bat out of hell" ??? 25mph???? FFS..he was barely moving!
tigger1 said:
plasticpig said:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/art...
Interesting inequality in the sentencing structure between this offence and dangerous driving. The maximum sentence this bloke faces is two years. If he had been driving a car it would have been 14 years.
The risk of causing death to anyone but yourself by furious cycling is pretty small though, tiny when compared with dangerous driving. Is it not more comparable with driving with due care?Times said:
A cyclist who collided with a pedestrain, who later died, is facing jail after admitting “wanton and furious” cycling yesterday.
Peter Messen, 28, was cycling on the pavement at 25mph. He struck 41-year-old Gary Green last April as he reached the bottom of a hill in Stenalees, Cornwall, at a speed that witnesses described as “like a bat out of hell”.
Peter Messen, 28, was cycling on the pavement at 25mph. He struck 41-year-old Gary Green last April as he reached the bottom of a hill in Stenalees, Cornwall, at a speed that witnesses described as “like a bat out of hell”.
Interesting inequality in the sentencing structure between this offence and dangerous driving. The maximum sentence this bloke faces is two years. If he had been driving a car it would have been 14 years.
"like a bat out of hell" ??? 25mph???? FFS..he was barely moving!
It not the speed at which you hit.. but how you collide with person. In this case the person hit his head - probably on edge of kerb.
People are on pavements whether shared or not shared. Highway Code (latest revised edition
still say 
MUST NOT ride on pavement und to be careful if on one shared by cyclist und pedestrian
Parrot of Doom said:
25mph on a mountain bike? Must have been slick tyres, because its bloody hard to get up to that speed on MTB tyres.
It ain't if the hill is steep enough or you pedal abit harder.
I regularly see an easy 40mph downhill on the MTB on the road this tends to be where the gearing spins out, you can go even quicker on proper offroad downhill stuff.
edited to add: wouldn't dream of doing it on the pavement though - the guy sounds like abit of a tit!
Edited by edx on Saturday 6th October 13:49
vonhosen said:
Why did the cop car accelerate towards the closing gap between the two trucks?
BlueArsedFly said:
What's this COAST thing???
Concentration on road aheadObservation - observing every little detail - sound - smell
Anticipation - based on above - you anticipate the hazard und PLAN by
Space - creating space - gaps - room for manueverby adjusting speed
Time - time to react. time to plan .. two second rule.. time for journey.
Ist simple
FishFace said:
plasticpig said:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/art...
Interesting inequality in the sentencing structure between this offence and dangerous driving. The maximum sentence this bloke faces is two years. If he had been driving a car it would have been 14 years.
The contents of the offences help to explain the difference. Death by dangerous driving obviously requires a death, which is the highest level of injury. There is no such offence for cycling. The (rarely used) offence of furious riding means you only have to cause bodily harm. It is a much lower level of injury so the sentence reflects this. Times said:
A cyclist who collided with a pedestrain, who later died, is facing jail after admitting “wanton and furious” cycling yesterday.
Peter Messen, 28, was cycling on the pavement at 25mph. He struck 41-year-old Gary Green last April as he reached the bottom of a hill in Stenalees, Cornwall, at a speed that witnesses described as “like a bat out of hell”.
Peter Messen, 28, was cycling on the pavement at 25mph. He struck 41-year-old Gary Green last April as he reached the bottom of a hill in Stenalees, Cornwall, at a speed that witnesses described as “like a bat out of hell”.
Interesting inequality in the sentencing structure between this offence and dangerous driving. The maximum sentence this bloke faces is two years. If he had been driving a car it would have been 14 years.
He should have been charged with manslaughter as his deliberately furious cycling on a pavement killed someone. It has happened before. People have been injured before by inconsiderate cycling on pavements etc. Just because it pedal power does not mean you cannot seriously injure someone
FishFace said:
I meant it only has to be a low level injury to become furious riding as oppose to death by dangerous driving.
I'm sure they would have considered assaults and manslaughter.
But a person die as a result. Why have they not considered manslaughter or GBH or whatever here? I'm sure they would have considered assaults and manslaughter.
I know someone whose daughter have an eternal limp. He a pal of yet another cousin. Longest story .. but another of my many cousins und his pal.. they most unfortunately by bluntest speaking almost cause a cycling site to go into meltdown when they respond in greatest anger to comments justifying riding on pavements on a "for cyclists forum" The story of little Madelena. She was aged two years when she stray into a cycling lane in Northern Germany. Her Mama also expecting a child. He hit her .. then fall into pregnant Mama who lose her baby as result of the impact. He get 5 years from a German court as I recall. The two year old receive damages which mean she never walk properly again.
Yes - I know it a foreign court which impose such sentence. But they are RIGHT und very much greeny orientated. Here in UK ?
we have pee cee nonsenses.
This guy should have been facing a manslaughter charge und we all know this.
WildCat said:
FishFace said:
I meant it only has to be a low level injury to become furious riding as oppose to death by dangerous driving.
I'm sure they would have considered assaults and manslaughter.
But a person die as a result. Why have they not considered manslaughter or GBH or whatever here? I'm sure they would have considered assaults and manslaughter.
I know someone whose daughter have an eternal limp. He a pal of yet another cousin. Longest story .. but another of my many cousins und his pal.. they most unfortunately by bluntest speaking almost cause a cycling site to go into meltdown when they respond in greatest anger to comments justifying riding on pavements on a "for cyclists forum" The story of little Madelena. She was aged two years when she stray into a cycling lane in Northern Germany. Her Mama also expecting a child. He hit her .. then fall into pregnant Mama who lose her baby as result of the impact. He get 5 years from a German court as I recall. The two year old receive damages which mean she never walk properly again.
Yes - I know it a foreign court which impose such sentence. But they are RIGHT und very much greeny orientated. Here in UK ?
we have pee cee nonsenses.
This guy should have been facing a manslaughter charge und we all know this.
vonhosen said:
thats well worth a couple of infact have a third
Parrot of Doom said:
25mph on a mountain bike? Must have been slick tyres, because its bloody hard to get up to that speed on MTB tyres.
It's not particularly hard, unless it's uphill, even on a big heavy Dowhnill bike. As for what speeds you can hit, depends how steep the hill is, how much "bottle" you have, and how fast you can pedal, But I used to overtake cars regularly on a downhill stretch of road not far from my home.tigger1 said:
plasticpig said:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/art...
Interesting inequality in the sentencing structure between this offence and dangerous driving. The maximum sentence this bloke faces is two years. If he had been driving a car it would have been 14 years.
The risk of causing death to anyone but yourself by furious cycling is pretty small though, tiny when compared with dangerous driving. Is it not more comparable with driving with due care?Times said:
A cyclist who collided with a pedestrain, who later died, is facing jail after admitting “wanton and furious” cycling yesterday.
Peter Messen, 28, was cycling on the pavement at 25mph. He struck 41-year-old Gary Green last April as he reached the bottom of a hill in Stenalees, Cornwall, at a speed that witnesses described as “like a bat out of hell”.
Peter Messen, 28, was cycling on the pavement at 25mph. He struck 41-year-old Gary Green last April as he reached the bottom of a hill in Stenalees, Cornwall, at a speed that witnesses described as “like a bat out of hell”.
Interesting inequality in the sentencing structure between this offence and dangerous driving. The maximum sentence this bloke faces is two years. If he had been driving a car it would have been 14 years.
"like a bat out of hell" ??? 25mph???? FFS..he was barely moving!
The offence of furious cycling comes under the Offences Against the Person Act of 1861 and refers to any vehicle. There is a necessity for bodily harm to have resulted from the incident.
If you walk in front of a cyclist at 25 mph and suffer a full head on head impact, then I'd suggest that would probably be more likely to kill than a 25mph frontal impact from a modern car.
iaha said:
tigger1 said:
plasticpig said:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/art...
Interesting inequality in the sentencing structure between this offence and dangerous driving. The maximum sentence this bloke faces is two years. If he had been driving a car it would have been 14 years.
The risk of causing death to anyone but yourself by furious cycling is pretty small though, tiny when compared with dangerous driving. Is it not more comparable with driving with due care?Times said:
A cyclist who collided with a pedestrain, who later died, is facing jail after admitting “wanton and furious” cycling yesterday.
Peter Messen, 28, was cycling on the pavement at 25mph. He struck 41-year-old Gary Green last April as he reached the bottom of a hill in Stenalees, Cornwall, at a speed that witnesses described as “like a bat out of hell”.
Peter Messen, 28, was cycling on the pavement at 25mph. He struck 41-year-old Gary Green last April as he reached the bottom of a hill in Stenalees, Cornwall, at a speed that witnesses described as “like a bat out of hell”.
Interesting inequality in the sentencing structure between this offence and dangerous driving. The maximum sentence this bloke faces is two years. If he had been driving a car it would have been 14 years.
"like a bat out of hell" ??? 25mph???? FFS..he was barely moving!
The offence of furious cycling comes under the Offences Against the Person Act of 1861 and refers to any vehicle. There is a necessity for bodily harm to have resulted from the incident.
If you walk in front of a cyclist at 25 mph and suffer a full head on head impact, then I'd suggest that would probably be more likely to kill than a 25mph frontal impact from a modern car.
I do know my racing bike und my mountain bike.. even I can get to speed on these. My fold up und my twee three gear shopper complete with cute wicker basket.. I lucky if I get above walking pace at times
(especially if I done some shoppin' 
) But I get impression that this guy deliberately rode that way.. on a pavement .. with no regard for anyone from all links seen. It manslaughter und sooner we change law the better. It actually ist provided for in Swiss, Austrian, German und French law. Perhaps why we have relatively decent behaviour by all road users over there
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