Sierra, Granada or a TVR ??
Sierra, Granada or a TVR ??
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Roobarb

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197 posts

277 months

Friday 20th June 2003
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No this isn't Mr Plug. Quickie really, 95 4.0HC Chiamera. I need new break pads. I know these things can be bought from Halfords, but which ones am I looking for under the Ford range. Alternatively do I go to a TVR dealer and say 'here have all my money'

jigs

1,840 posts

273 months

Friday 20th June 2003
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All sorts were used. Bertie Bassett used to be in charge of parts at TVR. Best bet - take one of your old ones down to Halfords - let them match it.

UpTheIron

4,057 posts

291 months

Friday 20th June 2003
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Jigs is right (some people - those Speed 6 lovers - would claim that doesn't happen often). But if you are a betting man then the go for Sierra 2.0iS/GLSi discs/pads, but you have been warned.

Roobarb

Original Poster:

197 posts

277 months

Friday 20th June 2003
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Nice one folks, thanks for the advice, pads in tow I'm off to Halfords tomorrow mornning then.
I can imagine the conversation tomorrow -
'yes sir from which car is this off'
'A TVR'
'Sorry ?'
'A TVR'
'Which Model ?'
'Chimaera'
'Kimyera, hmmm, can't find that, what year is it'
'please, just match the bogging pads.'

Watch this space

UpTheIron

4,057 posts

291 months

Friday 20th June 2003
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Roobarb,

Just tell them it is a Sierra. Then compare what they bring you with your pads and reject if correct. Then go through the whole Ford range if necessary to hit pay dirt.

If you tell them it is a TVR then it could add a £..0 to the price!

Que1

94 posts

278 months

Friday 20th June 2003
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I can imagine the conversation tomorrow -
'yes sir from which car is this off'
'A TVR'
'Sorry ?'
'A TVR'
'Which Model ?'
'Chimaera'
'Kimyera, hmmm, can't find that, what year is it'
'please, just match the bogging pads.'

Try www.performancebrakes.co.uk
The site is spot on for checking sizes,etc
Just used them myself and found them very good
Good luck
Q1







>> Edited by Que1 on Friday 20th June 22:30

alex200mph

510 posts

288 months

Friday 20th June 2003
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Roobarb
What I did was take the pads (and discs that needed replacing) off and got them to match them exactly. If you see other posts on this subject you will see that there is no hard and fast rules about exactly what will be on your car.

Taking them off and getting an exact match is the best way to avoid any cursing!

cheers
alex

alex200mph

510 posts

288 months

Friday 20th June 2003
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By the way if your replacing the pads (well on mine anyway) you will need a winder kit to wind and therefore push the piston back in on the rears. The fronts piston just pushes back.

cheers
alex

Roobarb

Original Poster:

197 posts

277 months

Saturday 21st June 2003
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Got the calipers off and pads out then noticed the brake disk appears to be quite loose. It doesn't appear to be attatched to the hub, if it wasn't for the caliper housing getting in the way I could easily lift it away. Is this right, ie its just the wheel nuts that keep it in place ?
Surely somethings awry here, hmmmm I know TVR Engineering are quirky but....

jonnyb

2,590 posts

275 months

Saturday 21st June 2003
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Roobarb,
While I dont own a Chim, I have built a car based on Sierra running gear. If your brakes are standard Sierra then the disk will be lose on the hub. The only thing that keeps it attached are the wheel nuts and the brake caliper. You may find some people keep them in place using spiral washers, but this can un-balance the wheels apparently.

victormeldrew

8,293 posts

300 months

Saturday 21st June 2003
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Yep, thats how they should be, take the wheel off any it should all be loose. If the disk comes off in your hand then its a bit too loose, or your calipers have fallen off.

shpub

8,507 posts

295 months

Monday 23rd June 2003
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jigs said:
All sorts were used. Bertie Bassett used to be in charge of parts at TVR. Best bet - take one of your old ones down to Halfords - let them match it.

Due to Euro regs you can't open brake pad boxes and chcek. I would also suggest that Halford best are not suitable pads for a TVR and that you get some fast road pads and not rely on standard pads which will quickly fade.

Steve
www.tvrbooks.co.uk

Roobarb

Original Poster:

197 posts

277 months

Monday 23rd June 2003
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Aaaagggh !
Steve it definately said in bible two that for normal use, road going brakes were perfectly adequate, so on that strength I got some Ferodos from Halfords. So are you saying I'm going to fade off the road into a bush at some point next week ?
Secondly you're right, you can't open the boxes, well OK you can, they just can't sell them on. There is however, a nice actual size chart of all the pads on sale, which only takes several hours to wade through..

shpub

8,507 posts

295 months

Monday 23rd June 2003
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The brakes are more than adequate (you don't need to upgrade them to 10 potter 400mm discs) but in the section on sourcing pads and discs it says be careful of cheap pads and discs as they are frequently not upto the stresses that a TVR puts on them. In the descrption on pad types it describes the problems of materiual crumbling and overheating that can effect ordinary road pads.

QUOTE from the section called Sourcing pads and discs:

"There is another complication in that cheap
pattern parts are available for both pads and discs as
they are made for the Ford Sierra market. These are
often inferior products and not really suited to use
on a TVR as they will quickly degrade. This is one
reason why TVR no longer give the part numbers or
donor cars to enquirers — they have suffered too
many times from owners who have then complained
that the brakes are useless. In other words, cheap
discs and pads may be cheap for a reason as they are
built for cost and not performance. As brakes are a
safety critical component and both the Griffith and
Chimaera are very high performance cars, it is a false
economy to skimp on these components."

The Halfords ones will fade quite badly if the car is driven hard. Poodling around will be fine but if overheated they can crumble and disintegrate. Better than nothing but not ideal.

Steve
www.tvrbooks.co.uk

Roobarb

Original Poster:

197 posts

277 months

Tuesday 24th June 2003
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OK then Steve
Given that I don't drive the car like my granny and I'm going on one of those Ride Drive days next month (- play time on an airfeild -) what would you reccomend I use and where can I get hold of them. Thanks for the help !

shpub

8,507 posts

295 months

Tuesday 24th June 2003
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The same section in the bible has the part numbers for EBC and Mintex 1144 pads and I would suggest these or the Ferodo DS2000 pads. To be honest I don't like EBCs but many owners do and they are not that expensive.

As to where to get them... a good motor factor or Demon Tweeks, the Motorist Centre... Don't forget to bed them in first and keep the halfords ones and use them as emergency spares.