Flashed by camera at 25mph
Discussion
Trundling through 30 limit this morning, usual commute, past Gatso I am well aware of. Definitely driving well under the limit as;
a) I know the camera is there.
b) was pretty foggy this morning.
3) glanced at speedo just before passing camera "just to check".
I know there's no problem to answer, but am I likely to have to watch the letterbox because the system will automatically bung me a NIP whatever?
ETA it was definitely 2 flashes too.
a) I know the camera is there.
b) was pretty foggy this morning.
3) glanced at speedo just before passing camera "just to check".
I know there's no problem to answer, but am I likely to have to watch the letterbox because the system will automatically bung me a NIP whatever?
ETA it was definitely 2 flashes too.
Edited by thebluebus on Thursday 11th October 08:03
I imagine it'll be fogged up and they'll be unable to read the numberplate. But if they can you should probably expect the invoice through the post because often people will pay up regardless.
Hopefully you'll be able to read the marks on the road and the times between the pictures and do their work for them to show that no monies are due.
It would be really nice if, under those circumstances, you could take the individual responsible for raising the fraudulent invoice to court for the attempted fraud.
SM
Hopefully you'll be able to read the marks on the road and the times between the pictures and do their work for them to show that no monies are due.
It would be really nice if, under those circumstances, you could take the individual responsible for raising the fraudulent invoice to court for the attempted fraud.
SM
supermono said:
I imagine it'll be fogged up and they'll be unable to read the numberplate. But if they can you should probably expect the invoice through the post because often people will pay up regardless.
Hopefully you'll be able to read the marks on the road and the times between the pictures and do their work for them to show that no monies are due.
It would be really nice if, under those circumstances, you could take the individual responsible for raising the fraudulent invoice to court for the attempted fraud.
SM
Any evidence of that? Or just more PH paranoia?Hopefully you'll be able to read the marks on the road and the times between the pictures and do their work for them to show that no monies are due.
It would be really nice if, under those circumstances, you could take the individual responsible for raising the fraudulent invoice to court for the attempted fraud.
SM
Bert
supermono said:
I imagine it'll be fogged up and they'll be unable to read the numberplate. But if they can you should probably expect the invoice through the post because often people will pay up regardless.
Hopefully you'll be able to read the marks on the road and the times between the pictures and do their work for them to show that no monies are due.
It would be really nice if, under those circumstances, you could take the individual responsible for raising the fraudulent invoice to court for the attempted fraud.
SM
No experience of this at all - you have to request the pictures/evidence don't you? They don't "issue them", so I would have to initiate correspondence to obtain defensive information.Hopefully you'll be able to read the marks on the road and the times between the pictures and do their work for them to show that no monies are due.
It would be really nice if, under those circumstances, you could take the individual responsible for raising the fraudulent invoice to court for the attempted fraud.
SM
thebluebus said:
No experience of this at all - you have to request the pictures/evidence don't you? They don't "issue them", so I would have to initiate correspondence to obtain defensive information.
If a NoIP were to arrive, there's no harm in requesting copies of any photographs which may assist with identification of the driver..
andmole said:
thebluebus said:
10 Pence Short said:
In Cumbria, if you are caught by camera, you are given a URL to view your pictures on their website.
Almost as though this was the 21st century.Where digital images can be easily manipulated.
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BertBert said:
supermono said:
I imagine it'll be fogged up and they'll be unable to read the numberplate. But if they can you should probably expect the invoice through the post because often people will pay up regardless.
Hopefully you'll be able to read the marks on the road and the times between the pictures and do their work for them to show that no monies are due.
It would be really nice if, under those circumstances, you could take the individual responsible for raising the fraudulent invoice to court for the attempted fraud.
SM
Any evidence of that? Or just more PH paranoia?Hopefully you'll be able to read the marks on the road and the times between the pictures and do their work for them to show that no monies are due.
It would be really nice if, under those circumstances, you could take the individual responsible for raising the fraudulent invoice to court for the attempted fraud.
SM
Bert
If you were running a business which had a single revenue stream from collecting money from speeding motorists, you wouldn't be bothered to check first would you? I mean why would you? You're spending money in labour to reduce your profits.
It's a bit like the traffic warden I spoke to recently who was ticketing cars parked on faulty double yellows. He knew, the council knew, but they said for him to carry on issuing tickets because most people pay up and they'll make the lines legal in due course.
SM
supermono said:
There are cases documented where milkfloats, buses, electronically limited cars, cars simply not powerful enough, etc were charged with a particular speed then thrown out when proved to be impossible.
If you were running a business which had a single revenue stream from collecting money from speeding motorists, you wouldn't be bothered to check first would you? I mean why would you? You're spending money in labour to reduce your profits.
It's a bit like the traffic warden I spoke to recently who was ticketing cars parked on faulty double yellows. He knew, the council knew, but they said for him to carry on issuing tickets because most people pay up and they'll make the lines legal in due course.
SM
So, all things being equal, I'll likely get the NIP and have to pick the bones out of it.If you were running a business which had a single revenue stream from collecting money from speeding motorists, you wouldn't be bothered to check first would you? I mean why would you? You're spending money in labour to reduce your profits.
It's a bit like the traffic warden I spoke to recently who was ticketing cars parked on faulty double yellows. He knew, the council knew, but they said for him to carry on issuing tickets because most people pay up and they'll make the lines legal in due course.
SM
Just out of curiosity, are there generally accepted circumstances that are known to trigger Gatsos erroneously?
SirSimon said:
It really does bafel me that people make these posts. If you where not speeding then why would you recieve a NIP.
Because the kit ISN'T foolproof. This has been established time and time again, although sadly not in a court of law able to set precedent (the SCPs and CPS have been very careful about that...).SirSimon said:
It really does bafel me that people make these posts. If you where not speeding then why would you recieve a NIP. If you get one asks for the pictures and prove that you where not speeding.. It's really not rocket science...
thebluebus said:
I know there's no problem to answer, but am I likely to have to watch the letterbox because the system will automatically bung me a NIP whatever?
Because I'm not sure how the system works, and whether there's any human intervention, or if the flash triggers an automatic NIP.I'm asking for help from cleverer or more experienced chaps. Like yourself, no doubt.
10 Pence Short said:
If you were not speeding, then the lines on the road should provide secondary evidence as to your speed. If that shows you weren't speeding, then job's a good 'un.
For the record, I've been flashed once by a Gatso in similar circumstances to yours, but nothing ever came of it.
For the record, I've been flashed once by a Gatso in similar circumstances to yours, but nothing ever came of it.
SirSimon said:
It really does bafel me that people make these posts. If you where not speeding then why would you recieve a NIP.
Because there is a very good chance that the NIP is sent out automatically without anyone actually checking the photographic evidence.Why should they bother to check - The camera fired so there must have been an offence. No need to waste resources (money)
checking then is there.
Many people would just pay up anyway as they would not be able to remember, or wouldn't have the 'nous' to challenge it.
Only those that ask for the photos wil be able to prove/show that they were below the limit.
The OP wants to know what is likely to happen.
Be prepared to have to waste time, money and effort to prove your innocence even though you are innocent in the first place.
To answer the OP's questions GATSOs sometimes fire below threshold if there is no camera in the box but it is active. The thinking being that this acts as a deterrent/reminder. They can also be triggered by traffic going in the other direction depending on how they are set up, but can't be used in the "wrong direction".
over_the_hill said:
SirSimon said:
It really does bafel me that people make these posts. If you where not speeding then why would you recieve a NIP.
Because there is a very good chance that the NIP is sent out automatically without anyone actually checking the photographic evidence.Why should they bother to check - The camera fired so there must have been an offence. No need to waste resources (money)
checking then is there.
Many people would just pay up anyway as they would not be able to remember, or wouldn't have the 'nous' to challenge it.
Only those that ask for the photos wil be able to prove/show that they were below the limit.
The OP wants to know what is likely to happen.
Be prepared to have to waste time, money and effort to prove your innocence even though you are innocent in the first place.
To answer the OP's questions GATSOs sometimes fire below threshold if there is no camera in the box but it is active. The thinking being that this acts as a deterrent/reminder. They can also be triggered by traffic going in the other direction depending on how they are set up, but can't be used in the "wrong direction".
I see neither. So sorry OP, we can't tell you what is likely to happen regarding the NIP. But clearly you are not going to get successfully prosecuted as you did not commit an offence and there is no evidence available that you did.
Bert
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