Cam choice. Views please
Cam choice. Views please
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poorpeet

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837 posts

275 months

Saturday 13th October 2007
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I am going to change the cam & followers over the winter.
Question is which cam to choose?
Stealth, MC1, H404, Typhoon or some thing else altogether?
I must say that the Typhoon looks a bargain compared to the others. Is there a reason why it's so cheap?

thenick

4,027 posts

242 months

Saturday 13th October 2007
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Can't comment on the others, but I went for the MC1 as I wanted to keep a good idle for daily use. I would definately recommend it since it does exactly what it says it will: Great idle, good steady pull all the way up to the top with a bit of extra power all the way up for good measure (around 20bhp V8D reckon) - can't fault it

Seasider

12,728 posts

279 months

Saturday 13th October 2007
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MC2 biggrin

blitzracing

6,422 posts

250 months

Saturday 13th October 2007
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Rob Robinson of www.v8racing.co.uk, did a good bit on this forum on just this subject, that I added to a web site Ive done on the Ginetta G33 (with his blessing). I have added a couple more cams I have come across as well.

http://www.g33.co.uk/tuning.htm

Mark

GreenV8S

31,027 posts

314 months

Saturday 13th October 2007
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Remember to budget for the timing gears and chain, too.

Al 450

1,390 posts

251 months

Saturday 13th October 2007
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GreenV8S said:
Remember to budget for the timing gears and chain, too.
And potentially more, might need rockers and push rods too!

jdharris

225 posts

238 months

Saturday 13th October 2007
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Out of interest, what sort to costs would I be looking at for this if done by a garage?

CaptiV8ted

822 posts

241 months

Saturday 13th October 2007
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I've put a stealth in my 500 and found it to be a nice, but minor upgrade. MC1, as I understand, is all about low end torque. Stealth is near std with a useful power upgrade (and very slight loss of low end), H404 is a screamer, leading to a substantial loss of low end to gain a lot of top (300 bhp +).

My stealth in an otherwise std engine, made 294 hp and 318 lbs/ft torque. Kit including cam, followers, timing gear, springs and gaskets cost just shy of 600 bucks delivered.

Expect a garage to charge around £1200 including parts. However, that will not include taking off the heads and reseating valves etc (top end rebuild) like I did. Austec do this as a matter of course I believe, which is over £2k.

GreenV8S

31,027 posts

314 months

Saturday 13th October 2007
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jdharris said:
Out of interest, what sort to costs would I be looking at for this if done by a garage?
£500 in parts and the same again in labour would be a reasonable budget, but there is a lot of variation.

CaptiV8ted

822 posts

241 months

Saturday 13th October 2007
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Quinny,

Are you still running a std ECU?

I only ask, as mine is still a bit shunty although not as bad as std. There's a chap down my way running a Mgeasquirt setup. Now that is smooth.....

Meatball

1,638 posts

240 months

Sunday 14th October 2007
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I may be wrong but i dont think a lot of the hotter cams will work in a 400 because the pistons arent pocketed....

That Daddy

19,460 posts

251 months

Sunday 14th October 2007
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Meatball said:
I may be wrong but i dont think a lot of the hotter cams will work in a 400 because the pistons arent pocketed....
The HC400 has, but the stock 400 as not,so your right you are limited on using spikey cams unless you pull the motor down and machine the pistonsmad you would have to be careful what cam you choose for the 400 if it is to spikey you could end up with a flat motor till your up on the cams powerbandconfusedi dont think i would go much more than the Hc cam in a 400,mine is just around that limit,it spins up nice to 6k but if you drive a stock 400 its traffic manners are much more civilised.

Al 450

1,390 posts

251 months

Sunday 14th October 2007
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Meatball said:
I may be wrong but i dont think a lot of the hotter cams will work in a 400 because the pistons arent pocketed....
Same with the 450, I heard that if you don't have a certain type of head then you can't fit it.

spend

12,581 posts

281 months

Sunday 14th October 2007
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Al 450 said:
...I heard that if you don't have a certain type of head then you can't fit it.
:biggiggle:

Dave

thenick

4,027 posts

242 months

Monday 15th October 2007
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On 450's apparently some are pocketed and some aren't... I found mine were and Rob at V8D said this might be due to it being a BV model (some apparently were but not labelled as such). Not sure how you'd tell though so it shall remain a mystery!

Al 450

1,390 posts

251 months

Monday 15th October 2007
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thenick said:
On 450's apparently some are pocketed and some aren't... I found mine were and Rob at V8D said this might be due to it being a BV model (some apparently were but not labelled as such). Not sure how you'd tell though so it shall remain a mystery!
I've heard that if you have the plastic timing gear then chances are it's just standard Land Rover although this is not guaranteed. The risk was too great for my car so I ended up using a Piper cam rather than one that was potentially incompatible. It needs careful research, i.e. talking to the experts as some will just sell you a cam without asking any questions.

Al 450

1,390 posts

251 months

Monday 15th October 2007
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spend said:
Al 450 said:
...I heard that if you don't have a certain type of head then you can't fit it.
:biggiggle:

Dave
beer

poorpeet

Original Poster:

837 posts

275 months

Wednesday 17th October 2007
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Thanks for all the input.
Looks like a straight choice between MC1 & Stealth. Why no data on timing, lift & duration for these though?
Also on a std 4 litre lump is there any real benefit to an adjustable timing gear?
AFAIK the only mod on these engines was to the ecu & cam. Amazing how little it took to get 240 bhp out of it!rolleyes

daren parker

14,997 posts

261 months

Wednesday 17th October 2007
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hi ,what do you think to the piper cam .is it the 285?i have a 285 in my mgb and find there is no power at low revs and idle is lumpy ,is that the same in a v8?

gadgit

971 posts

297 months

Wednesday 17th October 2007
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its like that in my 4.0ltr HC. Just a nice lumpy tickover.