Average Speed Cameras

[knibbo]

Just completed a 2.1/2 hour speed awareness tribuneral, no probs, pleasant and enlightening. Warned about the motorway average speed, do constant 80 to increase your points total ! insurance avoiders I hope they all get 6 months in the village stocks ( each Sunday will do ) Tax avoiders ! What do yo think ? Big brother is growing up. Knibbo.

[Hooli]

road tax is wrong in my eyes. we pay for the roads so many times already.
interesting to know average cameras are set so low, i expected them to be a bit higher.

[makatya]

Have you become a moonie?

[shedbuilder]

Can a bike be done with the average speed camera - Number plate on rear, or does the camera on the opposite side of the road zap ya to get round this easy get out?

[blade7]

Thought if you passed them in different lanes ie first one in the fast lane and last one in the slow lane they could'nt calculate your speed, may be a load of b*******s though.

[shedbuilder]

blade7 said:

Thought if you passed them in different lanes ie first one in the fast lane and last one in the slow lane they could'nt calculate your speed, may be a load of b*******s though.

I've been told that too, something to do with the number plate recognition needing the plate to be the same lane for it to register and not get confused. Sure that loophole will be closed soon

[MTBR]

shedbuilder said:

blade7 said:

Thought if you passed them in different lanes ie first one in the fast lane and last one in the slow lane they could'nt calculate your speed, may be a load of b*******s though.

I've been told that too, something to do with the number plate recognition needing the plate to be the same lane for it to register and not get confused. Sure that loophole will be closed soon

I heard it was because the system had only been aproved for "same lane use" but that there was no technical reason why it couldn't work if you changed lanes. (only hearsay)

[rsv gone!]

MTBR said:

shedbuilder said:

blade7 said:

Thought if you passed them in different lanes ie first one in the fast lane and last one in the slow lane they could'nt calculate your speed, may be a load of b*******s though.

I've been told that too, something to do with the number plate recognition needing the plate to be the same lane for it to register and not get confused. Sure that loophole will be closed soon

I heard it was because the system had only been aproved for "same lane use" but that there was no technical reason why it couldn't work if you changed lanes. (only hearsay)

Type approved for one lane only. Apparently, people who manipulate them by changing lane for each succesive camera (like me) are 'dangerous lane changers'. So one lane change per mile is dangerous

As you say, this is being reviewed.

[podman]

You can largely ignore them on a bike, the SPECS system is forward facing only...however , according to MCN they are bringing in cameras that will monitor all lanes and take pics front and rear.

[Talksteer]

podman said:

You can largely ignore them on a bike, the SPECS system is forward facing only...however , according to MCN they are bringing in cameras that will monitor all lanes and take pics front and rear.

Actually that reminds me, are police camera vans a threat to bikers, obviously the radar is forward facing so cannot ID your bike. However it would be relatively easy for them to fit a CCTV camera on the other side of the vehicle to get your plate after they have detected your bike speeding.

[Mad Dave]

Talksteer said:

podman said:

You can largely ignore them on a bike, the SPECS system is forward facing only...however , according to MCN they are bringing in cameras that will monitor all lanes and take pics front and rear.

Actually that reminds me, are police camera vans a threat to bikers, obviously the radar is forward facing so cannot ID your bike. However it would be relatively easy for them to fit a CCTV camera on the other side of the vehicle to get your plate after they have detected your bike speeding.

It's even simpler than that - the operator simply turns around and writes the plate down! I've actually seen units around Poole Quay on bike night with one guy in the back with the camera, and one guy in the front with a notepad!

[Kwacker]

I have had a ticket from a van. They have the speed camera at the back and a video camera at the front. When I asked for proof I got the normal pictures (from behind) with all the data at the bottom so the systems must be tied together.

Kwacker

[FrenchTVR]

podman said:

You can largely ignore them on a bike, the SPECS system is forward facing only...however , according to MCN they are bringing in cameras that will monitor all lanes and take pics front and rear.

Be careful if you use the A2 in the Gravesend area as there are multiple cameras on the poles, some facing front and some rear!

I see in MCN today that the Kent force has withdrawn the use of Laser guns as they are too inaccurate and some other issues, may be worth looking further into it if you have points pending etc.

Am I right that if there are no road hases then the original type GATSO is not valid? I only ask as there is a section of the Rochester way relief road that was resurfeced last week right by a camera and has no camera markings on the ground :-D

[black-k1]

Kwacker said:

I have had a ticket from a van. They have the speed camera at the back and a video camera at the front. When I asked for proof I got the normal pictures (from behind) with all the data at the bottom so the systems must be tied together.

Kwacker

Or, they banked on the fact that you assume the systems are linked together and will just pay up! (Much more likely in the real world!)

I would not want to be the one to test the system but I would think that they would be on dodgy ground if it came to court. Assuming you had a standard, reasonably common bike, and wore kit that wasn’t too unique, there would always be the element of ‘reasonable doubt’ that the bike pictured from the front speeding was not the same bike videoed from the back.

[Rawwr]

black-k1 said:

...there would always be the element of ‘reasonable doubt’ that the bike pictured from the front speeding was not the same bike videoed from the back.

From my experience, 'beyond reasonable doubt' is a theory and not a practice. If magistrates choose to, they can disregard the foundations of justice and disregard reasonable doubt.

Not that I'm bitter, you understand.

[black-k1]

Rawwr said:

black-k1 said:

...there would always be the element of ‘reasonable doubt’ that the bike pictured from the front speeding was not the same bike videoed from the back.

From my experience, 'beyond reasonable doubt' is a theory and not a practice. If magistrates choose to, they can disregard the foundations of justice and disregard reasonable doubt.

Not that I'm bitter, you understand.

We each judge according to our own experience!

[zadumbreion]

Rawwr said:

black-k1 said:

...there would always be the element of ‘reasonable doubt’ that the bike pictured from the front speeding was not the same bike videoed from the back.

From my experience, 'beyond reasonable doubt' is a theory and not a practice. If magistrates choose to, they can disregard the foundations of justice and disregard reasonable doubt.

Not that I'm bitter, you understand.

Yup... when I went to court, the CPS had lost their file. No problem though because the nice court clerk gave them his copy to work from.

Yes it's true.

[knibbo]

Im impressed my mention on "speeding " has brought out the splendid comments from such impressive well spoken gentlemen, no replies from the Ladies, or do I assume wrongly ! I did enjoy the " speed awareness class " but its expensive on the pocket, easy on the licence. £70.00 £35 an hour free coffee. Now how about a comment from a friendly motorcycleing policeman..or a ministry of streets man even a C.S.M.A member. Knibbo.

[knibbo]

Hoolie, I agree with you a short distance, but when you put your new glasses on you!l see further up the road and your eyes will see clearly that service and maintainance is necessary and cameras road warnings of bends yellow decorations fairy lights red yellow and GO. big round gardens for cars to go fast round you can grab a slice of the action if your quick on the controls ! There are often vehicles on there "not completed manf: " will return to place of conception and have WINKY LIGHTS fitted. I jest, know what you mean but never on this planet too many Cheif!s to pay. Knibbo.

[Hooli]

i just think its a joke to get charged road tax (now changed to VED so its not for the roads) after paying about 85% of the fuel costs the the goverment. oh & council tax that says 'highways upkeep' on the breakdown & income tax for central funding of roads & insurance premium tax to pay for nothing etc etc etc
if they spent what they got on the roads, they'd be amazingly good. but they dont do they?
anyway arent we a touch off the orignal topic now?