Parking lorries in a residential street

[H_Kan]

We have a eastern european chap who is renting a few doors down from us, and he seems to be a driver. The problem is that he seems to bring his truck home with him (not an arctic, but a lot bigger then a luton van think it may be a 7.5 ton?!?)

This is often left parked up in front of, or near my house for 4-5 days at a time, in between jobs I guess. This isn't really in keeping with a residential street, not to mention that it takes up a lot of parking space on an already congested street. The truck is I believe on UK plates, not sure but it's not here at the minute.

What is the legal position on this? I'm pretty sure that you can't just park trucks up wherever you feel like it, but I've no idea where such a thing would be outlawed.

[Yung Man]

If it's a 7.5 tonner or infact bigger than 3.5 tons it needs a tacho and as such come under an "Operators Licence"

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1995/Ukpga_1995002...

To get an OL you have to provide details of where the vehicles will be parked at night and outside the drivers house is not allowed, ever.
Phone the company ask to speak to the transport manager and tell him he has 24 hours to put a stop to it or you will contact VOSA.


You might want to press 141 before you give them a ring, personally I'd just ring VOSA but I'm a heartless bar steward.

[tvrgit]

Also if it's parked on-street anywhere at night, it must be lit (sidelights / parking lights).

[Rob_the_Sparky]

I know what you mean, close to my parents there was an artic driver who occasionally came homoe in the cab. Not a problem as there was space but man those things look big when parked on a residential street.

Rob

[H_Kan]

I wouldn't mind if it was just very occaisonely and the fella just left it overnight and went to work the next day. What annoys me is that he'll leave it for days on end and it gets in the way and just ruins the look of the place. Anyway thanks for the advice, I will give them a bell next time the truck makes an appearance.

[japhilip]

Yung Man said:

If it's a 7.5 tonner or infact bigger than 3.5 tons it needs a tacho and as such come under an "Operators Licence"

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1995/Ukpga_1995002...

To get an OL you have to provide details of where the vehicles will be parked at night and outside the drivers house is not allowed, ever.
Phone the company ask to speak to the transport manager and tell him he has 24 hours to put a stop to it or you will contact VOSA.


You might want to press 141 before you give them a ring, personally I'd just ring VOSA but I'm a heartless bar steward.

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I might well be as it's been a jolly long time since I got my CPC, but can't you park on your driveway (assuming you meet the OL requirements)? Obviously, this would normally apply to an owner-driver, which it doesn't sound like this guy is.

I'd be questioning why his employer is allowing a valuable vehicle (in terms of resource generation) to be parked up for days at a time (assuming they know). When I worked in Logistics, our vehicles only stopped long enough to reload and change drivers, apart from the routine maintenance.

[Hooli]

japhilip said:

Yung Man said:

If it's a 7.5 tonner or infact bigger than 3.5 tons it needs a tacho and as such come under an "Operators Licence"

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1995/Ukpga_1995002...

To get an OL you have to provide details of where the vehicles will be parked at night and outside the drivers house is not allowed, ever.
Phone the company ask to speak to the transport manager and tell him he has 24 hours to put a stop to it or you will contact VOSA.


You might want to press 141 before you give them a ring, personally I'd just ring VOSA but I'm a heartless bar steward.

Correct me if I'm wrong, and I might well be as it's been a jolly long time since I got my CPC, but can't you park on your driveway (assuming you meet the OL requirements)? Obviously, this would normally apply to an owner-driver, which it doesn't sound like this guy is.

I'd be questioning why his employer is allowing a valuable vehicle (in terms of resource generation) to be parked up for days at a time (assuming they know). When I worked in Logistics, our vehicles only stopped long enough to reload and change drivers, apart from the routine maintenance.

as far as im aware your not allowed to park them in the road as a base. so a driveway is ok.

[Yung Man]

Hooli said:

Yung Man said:

To get an OL you have to provide details of where the vehicles will be parked at night and outside the drivers house is not allowed, ever.

as far as im aware your not allowed to park them in the road as a base. so a driveway is ok.

To obtain an OL you are duty bound to abid by it and if you have 6 vehicles on it you have to have parking for 6 vehicles at an approved location, your drivers house is definitely not one of them, If you are an owner driver you would have put your own address down on the OL application form and either been given it or not.
Have you noticed how you don't see trucks parked on pub car parks these days, they are very very strict on OL regulations.

[Hooli]

i guess the artic cab i regulary see on a driveway is an owner driver then.

[Yung Man]

Hooli said:

i guess the artic cab i regulary see on a driveway is an owner driver then.

You could always phone VOSA to find out



Edit....
To be an owner driver you have to have your CPC, If he hasn't got a CPC then he probably drives for someone else and if thats the case the truck shouldn't be on his drive.

Edited by Yung Man on Tuesday 16th October 17:12

[Hooli]

ive got no problem with it being there, its only his (i assume is a bloke as most truckers are) view its blocking. looks kinda cool to have a huge truck on your lawn anyway - especially as its a raised garden
when i drove coaches i often (well a few times a month) took them home & left them in the road to save a detour to the yard in the morning. not quite legit either as far as im aware but i parked it out the way & never got any hassles over it.

[Yung Man]

Hooli said:

i guess the artic cab i regulary see on a driveway is an owner driver then.

"Operating centres

1 Operating centres to be specified in operators' licences (1) A person may not use a place in the area of any traffic commissioner as an operating centre for vehicles authorised to be used under any operator’s licence issued to him by that commissioner unless that place is specified as an operating centre of his in that licence.
(2) Any person who contravenes subsection (1) is guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale.
(3) In this Act “operating centre”, in relation to any vehicle, means the base or centre at which the vehicle is normally kept, and references to an operating centre of the holder of an operator’s licence are references to any place which is an operating centre for vehicles used under that "

This is a quote from this.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1995/ukpga_1995002...

[H_Kan]

As for it being a resource waste, I've a feeling he may be doing private contracted work (is such a thing commonplace in the industry?) because the truck doesn't have any livery on it and the trucks are all the same size but not always the same colour/model, so he may be renting maybe?

Although having an arctic cab on a driveway in the street would be pretty cool!

[TVRleigh_BBWR]

Just out of interest, what if its been only beening used for private use, and has a PLG tax.

[tigger1]

Depending on the age of your house (or indeed the area) - there might be covenants or bye-laws preventing this also.

[Boosted LS1]

How to you tell the tonnage/size of a van/lorry. Theres a large van parks near me which is longer & bigger then a luton transit or merc sprinter. It blocks the light to the houses when it parks in front of them.


Oh, read the link. Presumably even a van may be subjected to an operators licence if it's owned by a large company/corporation?

Edited by Boosted LS1 on Wednesday 7th November 17:26

[Muzzer]

Boosted LS1 said:

How to you tell the tonnage/size of a van/lorry. Theres a large van parks near me which is longer & bigger then a luton transit or merc sprinter. It blocks the light to the houses when it parks in front of them.

Luton Box:



7.5 ton:



17 ton:



Anything that's articulated is....an artic

HTH

[japhilip]

Yung Man said:

Hooli said:

i guess the artic cab i regulary see on a driveway is an owner driver then.

You could always phone VOSA to find out



Edit....
To be an owner driver you have to have your CPC, If he hasn't got a CPC then he probably drives for someone else and if thats the case the truck shouldn't be on his drive.

Edited by Yung Man on Tuesday 16th October 17:12

Strictly speaking the owner driver only has to have a nominated Competent Person (CPC holder) on his O-Licence. Doesn't necessarily have to be the Owner Driver. Could be his wife, mate, or even me! As long as the Competent Person holds the recognised qualification I believe that's sufficient.

If the truck belongs to the employer, it could still (IIRC) be parked on a driver's property BUT, that would have to be listed as an nominated operating centre on the O-Licence. Most employers wouldn't go to the trouble or cost of doing this.

[japhilip]

Muzzer said:

Boosted LS1 said:

How to you tell the tonnage/size of a van/lorry. Theres a large van parks near me which is longer & bigger then a luton transit or merc sprinter. It blocks the light to the houses when it parks in front of them.

Luton Box:

Normally less than 3.5 tonnes, anything over this weight is subject to O-Licence regulations. Pic is of an Iveco of greater than 3.5 tonnes, although it is of similar size to a 3.5 tonne Luton


7.5 ton:

17 ton:

These are now normally 18 tonne since the weight increase allowance for 2 axle vehicles a few years back.

Anything that's articulated is....an artic Weight normally dependent upon number of axles, up to 44 tonnes on 6 axles

HTH

Edited for additional info

[Yung Man]

japhilip said:

If the truck belongs to the employer, it could still (IIRC) be parked on a driver's property BUT, that would have to be listed as an nominated operating centre on the O-Licence. Most employers wouldn't go to the trouble or cost of doing this.

You would'nt get away with it either, the whole purpose of applying for an O licence is to show you are a responsable haulier,responable hauliers wouldn't even ask, the neighbours would complain about the noise, pollution and the danger of trucks reversing near children.