Tamora 4.0 Red Rose

[malbon]

Are all these factory fit engines then ? Are they the decent ones or are you looking at early type Tuscan reliability or does it depend on the year of the conversion ?

Seen quite a few going for not more money than the 3.6. Is it the way to go ?

[Daftlad]

malbon said:

Are all these factory fit engines then ? Are they the decent ones or are you looking at early type Tuscan reliability or does it depend on the year of the conversion ?

Seen quite a few going for not more money than the 3.6. Is it the way to go ?

I'm fairly sure that a factory built 4.0 red rose Tamora does not exist. Stand to be corrected, but would be very surprised. A few 3,6 RR cars exist - SEN18 who posts on here and a guy that posted as Black Monday (but then became all arty and changed his name to Lundi Noir) own 3,6 RR Tamoras and seem quite pleased with the package!

[macca666]

Dont think there are any factory 4.0L RR eaither.

But so what ! If the engine is good, and the price is right - ENJOY !

[bobd]

There are definately some factory 4.0 l Tamoras as there are also a few T350s. There are no 3.6 Sags , but there are 3.6 Tuscans
Glad to be of help!

[Daftlad]

bobd said:

There are definately some factory 4.0 l Tamoras as there are also a few T350s. There are no 3.6 Sags , but there are 3.6 Tuscans
Glad to be of help!

4.0 engined Tamoras yes, 4.0 RR...thats quite another topic.

Hows the Sag by the way?

[OscarT]

I'd be surprised if there weren't any Tamoras with 4.0 RR engines - a very desirable open sports car. Weren't TVR developing a soft-top Sagaris?

[icraigmy]

malbon said:

Are all these factory fit engines then ? Are they the decent ones or are you looking at early type Tuscan reliability or does it depend on the year of the conversion ?

Seen quite a few going for not more money than the 3.6. Is it the way to go ?

Yep had mine upgraded from 3.6 to 4.0L RR in April, and what a difference in performance and the extra horses are very noticable. I'd say go for the 4.0L if possible.

Make sure you check where the 4.0L upgrade was done because I don't think that there were any 4.0L RR Tamora's done at the factory.

[Daftlad]

icraigmy said:

malbon said:

Are all these factory fit engines then ? Are they the decent ones or are you looking at early type Tuscan reliability or does it depend on the year of the conversion ?

Seen quite a few going for not more money than the 3.6. Is it the way to go ?

Yep had mine upgraded from 3.6 to 4.0L RR in April, and what a difference in performance and the extra horses are very noticable. I'd say go for the 4.0L if possible.

Make sure you check where the 4.0L upgrade was done because I don't think that there were any 4.0L RR Tamora's done at the factory.

And also remember a RR upograde is more than engine.

[icraigmy]

Daftlad said:

icraigmy said:

malbon said:

Are all these factory fit engines then ? Are they the decent ones or are you looking at early type Tuscan reliability or does it depend on the year of the conversion ?

Seen quite a few going for not more money than the 3.6. Is it the way to go ?

Yep had mine upgraded from 3.6 to 4.0L RR in April, and what a difference in performance and the extra horses are very noticable. I'd say go for the 4.0L if possible.

Make sure you check where the 4.0L upgrade was done because I don't think that there were any 4.0L RR Tamora's done at the factory.

And also remember a RR upograde is more than engine.

Yea, forgot to mention, also have Tuscan S disc fitted to stop those extra horses, and ACT Carbon Fibre Air Tight Air Box.

[Paxo1]

icraigmy said:

Daftlad said:

icraigmy said:

malbon said:

Are all these factory fit engines then ? Are they the decent ones or are you looking at early type Tuscan reliability or does it depend on the year of the conversion ?

Seen quite a few going for not more money than the 3.6. Is it the way to go ?

Yep had mine upgraded from 3.6 to 4.0L RR in April, and what a difference in performance and the extra horses are very noticable. I'd say go for the 4.0L if possible.

Make sure you check where the 4.0L upgrade was done because I don't think that there were any 4.0L RR Tamora's done at the factory.

And also remember a RR upograde is more than engine.

Yea, forgot to mention, also have Tuscan S disc fitted to stop those extra horses, and ACT Carbon Fibre Air Tight Air Box.

(Proper)Factory RR standard options were = blueprinted uprated engine..large bore (up to 2.5 inch dia) exhaust (full length not just a loud backbox and with the engine properly setup for it !)...upgraded adjustable suspension..uprated larger brakes front and rear...lightweight body...18" wheels as standard...cr gearbox..better quality build overall (apparently)...it aint just engine and brakes. I was told when i bought my T350trr there were less than 30 made at the factory..everyone seems to have a rr these days !!

[Daftlad]

Paxo1 said:

icraigmy said:

Daftlad said:

icraigmy said:

malbon said:

Are all these factory fit engines then ? Are they the decent ones or are you looking at early type Tuscan reliability or does it depend on the year of the conversion ?

Seen quite a few going for not more money than the 3.6. Is it the way to go ?

Yep had mine upgraded from 3.6 to 4.0L RR in April, and what a difference in performance and the extra horses are very noticable. I'd say go for the 4.0L if possible.

Make sure you check where the 4.0L upgrade was done because I don't think that there were any 4.0L RR Tamora's done at the factory.

And also remember a RR upograde is more than engine.

Yea, forgot to mention, also have Tuscan S disc fitted to stop those extra horses, and ACT Carbon Fibre Air Tight Air Box.

(Proper)Factory RR standard options were = blueprinted uprated engine..large bore (up to 2.5 inch dia) exhaust (full length not just a loud backbox and with the engine properly setup for it !)...upgraded adjustable suspension..uprated larger brakes front and rear...lightweight body...18" wheels as standard...cr gearbox..better quality build overall (apparently)...it aint just engine and brakes. I was told when i bought my T350trr there were less than 30 made at the factory..everyone seems to have a rr these days !!

The usual test is the brakes when it comes to looking at a "RR". Most peolpe who upgrade their cars to what they perceive to be RR only upgrade the fronts as the rear converion requires an upright change and is not cheap. Truth be known however, the rear upgrade is not required and upsets the cars balance.

The lightweight body I belive was an option on a RR - and I doubt it made much diffrence - bit like the LWT Cerbs...

Likewise CR box was not as I remeber standard on the 3,6 litre cars.

Glad to see you stick up for originality - too many RR and S cars advertised these days that aren't.

[bobd]

DAFTLAD
Hows the Sag by the way?

Will get round to posting some pictures soon as just been polishing the damn thing after the rain, fog, and general road cack on the way back to NI. Cant wait for the next track day. Runs well, handles well and nowhere near as much scuttle shake as the T350. Thanks for the interest.

[YI8TVR]

bobd said:

DAFTLAD
Hows the Sag by the way?

Will get round to posting some pictures soon as just been polishing the damn thing after the rain, fog, and general road cack on the way back to NI. Cant wait for the next track day. Runs well, handles well and nowhere near as much scuttle shake as the T350. Thanks for the interest.

You must have had a bad T350. I own a T350 and have driven many Sagaris's including Johns (Daftlad) at Cadwell and to be honest yes out the box the Sagaris is better equiped in lots of ways but not to the degree you suggest. It does not take a lot to get a T350 knocking on the door of the Sagaris, certainly not the extra over 12k.

[malbon]

Cheers for the replies. Sooo...what else is in a RR then?

I see quite a few people upgrade to Nitrons. I've got an elise - I know it wont handle like one but how far off it are we talking. They're only 1000 kilos arent they ? Is it quite lithe and agile to chuck about ?

[SEN 18]

I managed to obtain my vechicle specification sheet from the factory!(will not tell you how).Under optional extras a/c-18"wheels-pearl paint-additional leather-leather carpet piping leather lower doors Red Rose Package.It has a 3.6 BLUE PRINTED ENGINE-TUSCON S BRAKES/SUSPENSION-LARGE BORE EXHAUST FULL SYSTEM-CLOSE- RATIO BOX. (375 bhp I was told)Also told there were only 5 RR Tamoras built at the factory.

[bobd]

Y8TVR said
You must have had a bad T350. I own a T350 and have driven many Sagaris's including Johns (Daftlad) at Cadwell and to be honest yes out the box the Sagaris is better equiped in lots of ways but not to the degree you suggest. It does not take a lot to get a T350 knocking on the door of the Sagaris, certainly not the extra over 12k.

Wrong, I had one of the best and I have driven a lot. Nitrons, corner weighted, 3:73 hydratrak, Sag spec rubber, factory widened arches, C/R Box, Dyno'd at 350bhp. I did not suggest it was better, I just gave my opinion from my first drive. If it makes you happy the turn in is not as good! Anyway there was sweet FA to keep up with my 350 on slicks so whats your point? Oh and who mentioned 12k
We all love TVRs so dont take offence when someone expresses an opinion!

Edited by bobd on Thursday 18th October 23:25

[Daftlad]

bobd said:

If it makes you happy the turn in is not as good.

Thats a very easy fix.

[YI8TVR]

bobd said:

We all love TVRs so dont take offence when someone expresses an opinion!

On the contrary Bob.

I thought we were having a grown up discussion,

If it makes you happy your right on every count.

Sometimes people can get a bit over exited when they first purchase a new car, I was just pointing out that there is not a lot of difference, which i am sure you will see once the excitement dwindles and the 12k was just a balance on why the Sagaris is a more grown up on track.

[bobd]

Mark,
no offence taken and as you say we all have our opinions.
My reasons for the Sag purchase were that imho the mid 2005 cars were the best built and that when I purchased the 350 I really wanted a Sag, but could not afford one. Loved the 350, but was always the thought that I really wanted a Sag. As you say time will tell and maybe the rose tinted goggles may come off.
First impressions remain, but this is not a daily drive. If it were driven more often I would have kept the 350.
Hope that puts us back on the adult discussion level.
Oh and by the way your 350 looks the dogs.
Bob

[YI8TVR]

bobd said:

Mark,
no offence taken and as you say we all have our opinions.
My reasons for the Sag purchase were that imho the mid 2005 cars were the best built and that when I purchased the 350 I really wanted a Sag, but could not afford one. Loved the 350, but was always the thought that I really wanted a Sag. As you say time will tell and maybe the rose tinted goggles may come off.
First impressions remain, but this is not a daily drive. If it were driven more often I would have kept the 350.
Hope that puts us back on the adult discussion level.
Oh and by the way your 350 looks the dogs.
Bob

See you next year on a track day on the mainland hopefully. I will get to kirkistown at some point.