What a disgraceful piece of 'journalism'

[Gruffy]

from the Times.

Apparently former world champion Mansell, Lewis Hamilton (after 'amost the perfect debut season') and Stirling Moss are all among the top 50 British losers. As is 4-minute-mile Roger Bannister, Olympic boxing champion Audley Harrison and multi-marathon-winning Paula Radcliffe.

Way to celebrate sporting achievement - I wouldn't expect that from The Sun!

[kevin ritson]

Sadly, there is always a flipside to increased mainstream media interest in F1

[anonymous-user]

the theory is quite interesting though. a combination of the following.

1) Proximity to Glory
2) Number of Shots at Glory
3) National Expectation
4) Strength Relative to Other Britons in the Sport
5) Ability to Bounce Back from Adversity

[lord summerisle]

miss this bit?

times said:

this list of Britain's Top 50 Gallant Sporting “Losers” may help to spark discussion. The inverted commas are important. Why should second place be regarded as losing?

[Gruffy]

No, I read it all. A pair of inverted commas (noticeably absent in the headline) does nothing to change my opinion that this is very cheap journalism.

[ewenm]

lord summerisle said:

miss this bit?

times said:

this list of Britain's Top 50 Gallant Sporting “Losers” may help to spark discussion. The inverted commas are important. Why should second place be regarded as losing?

In terms of an individual race, second place is first loser. In terms of a season, coming second is first runner-up and is different to individual races IMO. Second place in a season of competition would suggest a number of individual wins within that season and some worse results.

[coetzeeh]

Gruffy said:

from the Times.

Apparently former world champion Mansell, Lewis Hamilton (after 'amost the perfect debut season') and Stirling Moss are all among the top 50 British losers. As is 4-minute-mile Roger Bannister, Olympic boxing champion Audley Harrison and multi-marathon-winning Paula Radcliffe.

Way to celebrate sporting achievement - I wouldn't expect that from The Sun!

Make sure you read The Sun this week for Lewis's story in his own words as advertised yesterday.

[Gruffy]

ewenm said:

In terms of an individual race, second place is first loser. In terms of a season, coming second is first runner-up and is different to individual races IMO. Second place in a season of competition would suggest a number of individual wins within that season and some worse results.

It's also, frankly, absurd to brand olympic champions, world champions and world record holders as losers.

No matter how many commas you include

[ewenm]

Gruffy said:

ewenm said:

In terms of an individual race, second place is first loser. In terms of a season, coming second is first runner-up and is different to individual races IMO. Second place in a season of competition would suggest a number of individual wins within that season and some worse results.

It's also, frankly, absurd to brand olympic champions, world champions and world record holders as losers.

No matter how many commas you include

Indeed, I fully agree. Remember that British sportsman frequently called a loser, and yet in the world top 10 for nearly 10 years... Henman. I've asked the naysayers before to name one other British sportsman who has done as well as Henman for as long as him and rarely can they name anyone (I reckon Montgomery may be one). Of course, Henman is still a loser

[Gruffy]

Henman - top of the list. Right behind him in second place is Sir Stirling Moss, owner of arguably the single most impressive piece of driving in the history of motorsport, but no Formula 1 world titles. What a loser.

[PJS917]

So Henman wins the loser league, making him a er........Winner

I would be so happy to be a loser like Stirling.

Edited by PJS917 on Monday 29th October 15:15

[kenthardy]

Stick with the Sun mate - you dont understand the Times!

[EDLT]

I'm not even sure what that article is about, its all completly random. How is Frank Bruno more of a loser than eddie the eagal?

[Andy39W]

England football team
England cricket team
England Rugby union team

They are all disasters, any time they ever get near victory and we start having to have the smelling salts and then for the next 3 years they are terrible.

Actually stick the cricket team above the football team, they won against the Aussies just because the aussies played badly and then they only just won! Bring back botham and shoot Freddie F**koff or whatever he is called.

In relation to them Stirling and Lewis are top notch.

Regards

Andy

[Dinoboy]

I would be so happy to be a loser like Stirling.

+ 1

[motormania]

Gruffy said:

from the Times.

Apparently former world champion Mansell, Lewis Hamilton (after 'amost the perfect debut season') and Stirling Moss are all among the top 50 British losers. As is 4-minute-mile Roger Bannister, Olympic boxing champion Audley Harrison and multi-marathon-winning Paula Radcliffe.

Way to celebrate sporting achievement - I wouldn't expect that from The Sun!

There is nothing disgraceful about this piece at all.

What IS disgraceful is that millions of idoits keep buying this shit each day. Newspapers and crap mags keep writing this garbage because it sells - simple really. The problem lies with every individual who coughs up the money each morning to by such crap. If everyone stopped buying these newspapers and magazines then things would change, and change bloody quickly too!!

I do not buy any newspapers, be that red tops or broadsheets - they are all the same. I have a close friend who's in the media world and I have been lucky enough to get invites to the odd party in my time. None of the fleet street journos could write anything correctly because the vast majority are stoned, trust me I've seen it with my own eyes!

I remember Robbie Williams once saying that he found it strange to read articles about him taking drugs, when these articles were written by people who were taking drugs with him!!!

This country's print media is a disgrace and the sooner all the millions of sheep stop buying the shite the better

Edited by motormania on Thursday 1st November 11:45