carbon fibre body panels - where?
carbon fibre body panels - where?
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DucatiGary

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7,765 posts

256 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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have been thinking i might keep the elise buy somthing cheap (couple of grand) for a runaround and turn the liz into somthing special.

I seen a complete carbon fibre bodied elise a while back posted on here, and would love to do the same (and s160 kit on the engine) I can see the roof on eliseparts but not panels, anyone know where I can get these from?

was hoping for inner plastics aswell to be replaced so its complete carbon fibre.

thanks

Paul RN

1,168 posts

245 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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Contact Husky, he sells a few bits and pieces on ebay & seloc - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...

Expect it to be expensive, S1 bonnet about £450 so a front clam would be easily over £1000 I'd imagine. Guess you don't have to paint it though! No major weight loss either as fibreglass is pretty light anyway.

hahithestevieboy

845 posts

245 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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surely a honda s/c and better suspension/breaks would be money better spent?? Truely evil performance then...

DucatiGary

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7,765 posts

256 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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been warned against swapping the engine by 3 different companies who specialise in honda transplants . . . . .

all 3 said the car would be a better car if you tune the k series.

brakes will be done suspension is already done, my ducati had every plastic part replaced with carbon fibre, starting to warm to the idea of doing the same to the liz (and leave it unpainted)

slatess1

437 posts

245 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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I'll only go to reverie for carbon fibre work, the guy is a genius!

http://www.reverie.ltd.uk/

Lawrence5

1,254 posts

266 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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Mad dog used to do them..... here's down under now not sure if the molds went with him ?

http://www.exiges.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Numb...

Scuffers

20,887 posts

305 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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DucatiGary said:
been warned against swapping the engine by 3 different companies who specialise in honda transplants . . . . .

all 3 said the car would be a better car if you tune the k series.
  • crying*
care to name them? (as cleary I think they are talking boocks!)

DucatiGary

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7,765 posts

256 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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Scuffers said:
care to name them? (as cleary I think they are talking boocks!)
id rather not name them but all 3 said id be best off sticking with the k series and letting them fiddle with it to get the best out of it for what i want.

cheers for the replies guys, was thinking (hoping) about 5 grand for the job then ive got another 2 for the engine + front brakes and 3 for a runabout.

peter450

1,650 posts

264 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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Paul RN said:
Contact Husky, he sells a few bits and pieces on ebay & seloc - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...

Expect it to be expensive, S1 bonnet about £450 so a front clam would be easily over £1000 I'd imagine. Guess you don't have to paint it though! No major weight loss either as fibreglass is pretty light anyway.
I'm sure there will be a fair weight loss, while fibreglass is light carbon weighs next to nothing.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

305 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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DucatiGary said:
Scuffers said:
care to name them? (as cleary I think they are talking boocks!)
id rather not name them but all 3 said id be best off sticking with the k series and letting them fiddle with it to get the best out of it for what i want.
that's shamfull...

considering the crap that's touted about for the K (no names but I think we all know the sort of person here), how come they are not exactly common?

Just take a look at Elise Trophy, how many high-powered K cars are there (then count the Honda's)

thegreenhell

24,367 posts

250 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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slatess1 said:
I'll only go to reverie for carbon fibre work, the guy is a genius!

http://www.reverie.ltd.uk/
I don't doubt the quality of their workmanship, but that sure is some special kind of genius at work to create this...


tricky 100

954 posts

273 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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Im sorry but that looks utterly ridiculous !!!No wonder its a one off.

S Works

10,166 posts

281 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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That's horrendous.

As for the 3 companies who specialist in engine transplants saying tune the K, well I suppose that depends a lot on how you pitched it to them.

Personally I think CF clams are nice if you want them for vanity, but not much good for anything else. Would be interested to know what your insurers would do to your premium too, and if it got damaged, if they'd pay out for CF ones or only fibreglass.

Paul RN

1,168 posts

245 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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peter450 said:
Paul RN said:
Contact Husky, he sells a few bits and pieces on ebay & seloc - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...

Expect it to be expensive, S1 bonnet about £450 so a front clam would be easily over £1000 I'd imagine. Guess you don't have to paint it though! No major weight loss either as fibreglass is pretty light anyway.
I'm sure there will be a fair weight loss, while fibreglass is light carbon weighs next to nothing.
It really depends on how the carbon fibre panels are made, a wet-lay composite part for example would have very little weight benefit - especially vs the cost. I bet you'd save more weight by getting a lighter exhaust than changing the clams. Although I suspect in this instance is being considered for the look rather than the weight saving.


DucatiGary

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7,765 posts

256 months

Tuesday 30th October 2007
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S Works said:
That's horrendous.
agreed, I was thinking just replacing the panels without the extra max power styling . . . . .

S Works said:
As for the 3 companies who specialist in engine transplants saying tune the K, well I suppose that depends a lot on how you pitched it to them.
they all had one resounding reason, the elise was made for the K-series and "some" of the transplants they have seen are in the wrong place (too high, offset etc) and thus makes them handle incorrectly, which in turn is completly the opposite of what lotus is all about.


S Works said:
Personally I think CF clams are nice if you want them for vanity, but not much good for anything else. Would be interested to know what your insurers would do to your premium too, and if it got damaged, if they'd pay out for CF ones or only fibreglass.
i just think it would look ace all carbon weave, its not a vanity thing more a being different thing, if it was vanity I would be driving somthing a little more special than a lotus thats for sure!

as for insurance, it would need a specialist modified company to cover it, although id probbably save my no claims and replace anything i broke out of my own pocket.

Edited by DucatiGary on Tuesday 30th October 09:42

Gooby

9,269 posts

265 months

Tuesday 30th October 2007
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A while ago Beachbum and I looked at the feasability of the complete carbon fibre 111R. We figured it would cost about the same as a whole car and save about 35kg total.

Considering a good engine upgrade of a turbo will give an extra 30-50 bhp for £4-5K the ratio of benifit / cost does not stack up.

Reverie creations look crap in photos and absolutly horrendus in the flesh.

Not if they were the last tuner in the world

Sorry Junks, I do hate it.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

305 months

Tuesday 30th October 2007
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DucatiGary said:
they all had one resounding reason, the elise was made for the K-series and "some" of the transplants they have seen are in the wrong place (too high, offset etc) and thus makes them handle incorrectly, which in turn is completly the opposite of what lotus is all about.
well, you might just want to consider how the Toyota install matches up then!

seriously, that's bullshit, and I think I can work out who is feeding you it.

ask yourself this question, why is it that every single round of Elise Throphy has been won by Honda Powered cars? if they handle that badly, how is this possible?

then consider that in Aus GT, a Honda powered car is currently 5th overall in the championship?

you con't go posting bullshit like this without backing it up, so come on, NAME THEM!

S Works

10,166 posts

281 months

Tuesday 30th October 2007
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DucatiGary said:
S Works said:
That's horrendous.
agreed, I was thinking just replacing the panels without the extra max power styling . . . . .
Fair play.

DucatiGary said:
S Works said:
As for the 3 companies who specialist in engine transplants saying tune the K, well I suppose that depends a lot on how you pitched it to them.
they all had one resounding reason, the elise was made for the K-series and "some" of the transplants they have seen are in the wrong place (too high, offset etc) and thus makes them handle incorrectly, which in turn is completly the opposite of what lotus is all about.
I really would be interested to know who they are then, because all the companies I know who make the good conversions, seem to think different. None of them will deny that the K is a great engine for the Elise if not tuned too hard, but to say that the Honda or Audi lump makes them handle incorrectly is utter nonsense.

I'm happy to take you out in my car to allow you to decide for yourself. Every single person I've taken out in it has commented on how amazingly sorted it is, and how well it handles. It's all in the set-up - get that done properly (or wrongly), and any Elise will be either great, or horrendous. As for Lotus handling, some of the geo's that come out of the factory are shockingly bad. If you've not driven one, don't discount it until you do. Even if you don't want to spend the money now, you've nothing to lose by making the decision through first-hand experience.

DucatiGary said:
S Works said:
Personally I think CF clams are nice if you want them for vanity, but not much good for anything else. Would be interested to know what your insurers would do to your premium too, and if it got damaged, if they'd pay out for CF ones or only fibreglass.
i just think it would look ace all carbon weave, its not a vanity thing more a being different thing, if it was vanity I would be driving somthing a little more special than a lotus thats for sure!

as for insurance, it would need a specialist modified company to cover it, although id probbably save my no claims and replace anything i broke out of my own pocket.
I don't disagree, I think CF would look very different, but ultimately what I meant by vanity was just "looks", rather than real purpose. As Gooby notes, the differences realised in power/weight would be negligible compared to a proper power hike.

One thing I would be wary of is that I've seen CF panels on various cars, and after a while they do tend to fade. I'd want to get some assurances that that won't happen, if I were spending that amount of cash.

Alternative is to get the car vinyl-wrapped in CF effect vinyl if you only want "the look"?

DucatiGary

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7,765 posts

256 months

Tuesday 30th October 2007
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carbon fibre would also be stronger than fibre glass, right?

crackthatoff

3,314 posts

244 months

Tuesday 30th October 2007
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DucatiGary said:
carbon fibre would also be stronger than fibre glass, right?
why are you preparing for a smash or something?