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babelfish

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1,020 posts

238 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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.... Oh dear police car drove into us last night.

Returned to my car this evening and someone had parked a motorbike in the space between my car and the car behind.

Having approached my car from behind I knew it was there, and the rear parking sensors told me it was there, and I could just about drive out forwards without hitting anything.

However, I could not see it in my rear view mirror (even though it's only a BMW 330 Touring) and it had been parked ridiculously closely. If I didn't know it was there I would have reversed slightly in order to pull out forward with more clearance.

If I had reversed into it and hit it would I have been liable?

BF

deeps

5,432 posts

272 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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IMO yes. You would have hit a stationary object, how can that be anything but your fault? I always walk around my car before getting in, just to glance at the tyres, but it's easy and good practice. smile

esselte

14,626 posts

298 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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babelfish said:
.... Oh dear police car drove into us last night.

Returned to my car this evening and someone had parked a motorbike in the space between my car and the car behind.

Having approached my car from behind I knew it was there, and the rear parking sensors told me it was there, and I could just about drive out forwards without hitting anything.

However, I could not see it in my rear view mirror (even though it's only a BMW 330 Touring) and it had been parked ridiculously closely. If I didn't know it was there I would have reversed slightly in order to pull out forward with more clearance.

If I had reversed into it and hit it would I have been liable?

BF
I suppose the moral is to leave enough space in front of you to make it possible for you to pull out if someone parks too near your backside...

Bing o

15,184 posts

250 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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babelfish said:
.... Oh dear police car drove into us last night.

Returned to my car this evening and someone had parked a motorbike in the space between my car and the car behind.

Having approached my car from behind I knew it was there, and the rear parking sensors told me it was there, and I could just about drive out forwards without hitting anything.

However, I could not see it in my rear view mirror (even though it's only a BMW 330 Touring) and it had been parked ridiculously closely. If I didn't know it was there I would have reversed slightly in order to pull out forward with more clearance.

If I had reversed into it and hit it would I have been liable?

BF
Clearly the bike's fault for being an inanimate object parked legally by the kerb.

hemibum

833 posts

248 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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Should've pretended you hadn't seen it, and mashed the bloody thing.wobble

wendyg

2,071 posts

274 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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esselte said:
babelfish said:
.... Oh dear police car drove into us last night.

Returned to my car this evening and someone had parked a motorbike in the space between my car and the car behind.

Having approached my car from behind I knew it was there, and the rear parking sensors told me it was there, and I could just about drive out forwards without hitting anything.

However, I could not see it in my rear view mirror (even though it's only a BMW 330 Touring) and it had been parked ridiculously closely. If I didn't know it was there I would have reversed slightly in order to pull out forward with more clearance.

If I had reversed into it and hit it would I have been liable?

BF
I suppose the moral is to leave enough space in front of you to make it possible for you to pull out if someone parks too near your backside...
And also to leave enough space behind to make it possible to reverse sufficiently to pull out if someone parks too close in front of you.nuts

What a specious arguement.

There's no excuse for hitting another parked car (or bike), however close they've parked to you. However if they've parked in such a way that it's impossible for you to manoeuvre, then that's obstruction, surely?

Comments?

esselte

14,626 posts

298 months

Monday 29th October 2007
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wendyg said:
esselte said:
babelfish said:
.... Oh dear police car drove into us last night.

Returned to my car this evening and someone had parked a motorbike in the space between my car and the car behind.

Having approached my car from behind I knew it was there, and the rear parking sensors told me it was there, and I could just about drive out forwards without hitting anything.

However, I could not see it in my rear view mirror (even though it's only a BMW 330 Touring) and it had been parked ridiculously closely. If I didn't know it was there I would have reversed slightly in order to pull out forward with more clearance.

If I had reversed into it and hit it would I have been liable?

BF
I suppose the moral is to leave enough space in front of you to make it possible for you to pull out if someone parks too near your backside...
And also to leave enough space behind to make it possible to reverse sufficiently to pull out if someone parks too close in front of you.nuts

What a specious arguement.

There's no excuse for hitting another parked car (or bike), however close they've parked to you. However if they've parked in such a way that it's impossible for you to manoeuvre, then that's obstruction, surely?

Comments?
You can only park within the conditions that exist on your arrival.Don't you think it's a good idea to leave space in front if you can?

Hooli

32,278 posts

231 months

Tuesday 30th October 2007
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of course its your fault if you hit it. same as if you drive into a tree, it wasnt moving but you were so it has to be your actions that caused the collision.

wendyg

2,071 posts

274 months

Tuesday 30th October 2007
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esselte said:
wendyg said:
esselte said:
babelfish said:
.... Oh dear police car drove into us last night.

Returned to my car this evening and someone had parked a motorbike in the space between my car and the car behind.

Having approached my car from behind I knew it was there, and the rear parking sensors told me it was there, and I could just about drive out forwards without hitting anything.

However, I could not see it in my rear view mirror (even though it's only a BMW 330 Touring) and it had been parked ridiculously closely. If I didn't know it was there I would have reversed slightly in order to pull out forward with more clearance.

If I had reversed into it and hit it would I have been liable?

BF
I suppose the moral is to leave enough space in front of you to make it possible for you to pull out if someone parks too near your backside...
And also to leave enough space behind to make it possible to reverse sufficiently to pull out if someone parks too close in front of you.nuts

What a specious arguement.

There's no excuse for hitting another parked car (or bike), however close they've parked to you. However if they've parked in such a way that it's impossible for you to manoeuvre, then that's obstruction, surely?

Comments?
You can only park within the conditions that exist on your arrival.Don't you think it's a good idea to leave space in front if you can?
Of course, that's what we all would do, and I expect that's what babelfish did. You park and leave a reasonable gap in front AND behind. Do you assume that babelfish parked 3 inches from the car in front and left a big gap behind him, to let a bike park there? Of course not. The reality is that parking the average car (width, length and steering lock) does in fact leave enough road space between cars to slide a bike in (front AND back)!!

The suggestion that babelfish was at fault for not leaving enough space in the first place is ridiculous.

mark69sheer

3,906 posts

233 months

Tuesday 30th October 2007
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Hi and from the other post . . me

I guess you would have been responsible . .
In my posts case if the police car had been in place before she reversed then yes it would have been her fault.

In your case if you hadn't been able to get out of the space without moving the bike then I would have moved it.
I would have done my best not to damage the bike when doing so but know from my years of biking that its easy to drop a bike that you are wheeling about so I wouldn't have shed too many tears if it had fallen over.

SLCZ3

1,295 posts

236 months

Wednesday 31st October 2007
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babelfish said:
.... Oh dear police car drove into us last night.

Returned to my car this evening and someone had parked a motorbike in the space between my car and the car behind.

Having approached my car from behind I knew it was there, and the rear parking sensors told me it was there, and I could just about drive out forwards without hitting anything.

However, I could not see it in my rear view mirror (even though it's only a BMW 330 Touring) and it had been parked ridiculously closely. If I didn't know it was there I would have reversed slightly in order to pull out forward with more clearance.

If I had reversed into it and hit it would I have been liable?

BF
If you had hit you should have left a note explaining the situation and the laws of cause and effect, that is if the biker parks in such a manner as to endanger his vehicle then it is quite likely that his bike would be driven over and damaged severely and also include your current address and name which should be P.O.Box Waziristan
c/o Bin Laden Demolitions Conglomerate.

Edited by SLCZ3 on Wednesday 31st October 08:55