Evo4 or GT4??? Decisions decisions???
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I have three ideal candidates for my next car but really don't know which is next. I need to consider the fact that i need to take the kids round places. I need a replacement for my Toyota Celica GT. The choices are... Honda Integra SiR/Type R, Toyota Celica GT4, or a Mitsubishi Evo4. Hmmm..... I'm spoilt for choices!!! Help!
TotalControl.
TotalControl.
Edited by TotalControl on Tuesday 30th October 14:06
Integra Type R: 
Quick, great handling drivers car, economical, looks good, nice interior, street cred by the bucketload and room for your kids. Nice in white 
GT4: are a bit heavier and not as nimble, go well though, cracking rally heritage, probably worse on fuel too, although very nice/comfy inside and to drive.
EVO: hard as nails drive, sucks fuel like a thirsty alchy, prety damn quick though and handles like a train on rails, plenty of room inside but interior is cheap and nasty. Service intervals 4.5K miles, not cheap for spares or servicing.
Only IMHO.....
Quick, great handling drivers car, economical, looks good, nice interior, street cred by the bucketload and room for your kids. Nice in white GT4: are a bit heavier and not as nimble, go well though, cracking rally heritage, probably worse on fuel too, although very nice/comfy inside and to drive.
EVO: hard as nails drive, sucks fuel like a thirsty alchy, prety damn quick though and handles like a train on rails, plenty of room inside but interior is cheap and nasty. Service intervals 4.5K miles, not cheap for spares or servicing.
Only IMHO.....
Well, If one had to go out of the 3, i'd say it would be the Evo4, solely because i wouldn't be able to keep up the servicing. So now its 2. This is hard, my celica st202 is a wonderful car at present but im gagging for more power/torque. The easiest way is to just sell the car and purchase one listed. Is the ITR really much better on fuel than the GT4???
TotalControl.
TotalControl.
If you keep an ITR out of vtec (i.e. not REALLY caning it) its pretty frugal, afaik.
The Evo4 is also very short geared for family motorway journeys.
The GT4 is nice but i must admit i found it a little...dull. imho of course.
why not a bugeye Impreza, btw? More comfortable than an Evo, better modding platform for power than a GT4, better for hauling kids than any of the others.
The Evo4 is also very short geared for family motorway journeys.
The GT4 is nice but i must admit i found it a little...dull. imho of course.
why not a bugeye Impreza, btw? More comfortable than an Evo, better modding platform for power than a GT4, better for hauling kids than any of the others.
I think that depends entirely on whose scoobywagon you're driving I've owned a GT4 previous to my EVO6. My bro has an EVO4 and it is a great driver's car.
Depends whats more important on your priority list.
If you want pure driving involvement and outright pace along the likes of 'A' and 'B' then the clear winner is the EVO. They aren't hard to drive I don't think and although they are thirsy on fuel you get your money's worth !
The GT4 is a bit bland in terms of driving pleasure, they can be tuned up to be a monster of a car but in stock form comparing like for like then the EVO wins hands down.
Not too much of a fan of the Integra myself, driven a few and all you find yourself doing is screaming the engine where ever you go. FWD also is not all that much fun in the wet.... true they are a quick car in their own right but again not in the same league an an EVO. IMO
The EVO RS versions are short geared and are the rally base car.... the GSRs are longer geared and would suit motorway driving a little better.
Depends whats more important on your priority list.
If you want pure driving involvement and outright pace along the likes of 'A' and 'B' then the clear winner is the EVO. They aren't hard to drive I don't think and although they are thirsy on fuel you get your money's worth !
The GT4 is a bit bland in terms of driving pleasure, they can be tuned up to be a monster of a car but in stock form comparing like for like then the EVO wins hands down.
Not too much of a fan of the Integra myself, driven a few and all you find yourself doing is screaming the engine where ever you go. FWD also is not all that much fun in the wet.... true they are a quick car in their own right but again not in the same league an an EVO. IMO
The EVO RS versions are short geared and are the rally base car.... the GSRs are longer geared and would suit motorway driving a little better.
Okay, now I'm even more confused. I should buy a lottery ticket in the hope of winning so that i can just buy all 3! Or just rob a bank! 
I need to sell the GT first in order to decide on which car is next. That said, I've seen all 3 cars now coming in at about £4000. Now I'm not sure on what you guys think but four big bags is nothing for all that you get in these cars, seeming i was going to buy with double the price in mind!
TotalControl.
I need to sell the GT first in order to decide on which car is next. That said, I've seen all 3 cars now coming in at about £4000. Now I'm not sure on what you guys think but four big bags is nothing for all that you get in these cars, seeming i was going to buy with double the price in mind!TotalControl.
I was interested in 4WD, the GTS-T is RWD, so its not as 'safe' as it could be. It was an option though, seeing the work that local boys 'Garage-D' put into their skylines that are patroling the roads like cop cars.
To tell you the truth, the GTS-T isn't really my cup of tea as they look a bit too simple and have a bigger engine. Dreaming of a GTR on the other hand....
I really don't think there are any other cars which could give me good practicality in a coupe shell and give me a huge grin from the power at the same time. I need to be able to fit 4 people in comfortably! Any other coupes/4wd cars out there that are worth it?
TotalControl.
To tell you the truth, the GTS-T isn't really my cup of tea as they look a bit too simple and have a bigger engine. Dreaming of a GTR on the other hand....
I really don't think there are any other cars which could give me good practicality in a coupe shell and give me a huge grin from the power at the same time. I need to be able to fit 4 people in comfortably! Any other coupes/4wd cars out there that are worth it?
TotalControl.
Edited by TotalControl on Wednesday 31st October 11:34
Personally, I've heard bad things about evo4s. If you were thinking evo6, then yes yes yes! But the earlier evo's aren't as reliable / powerful/ as good brakes. Most will of been thrashed and not serviced correctly.
GT4s tend to work out cheaper as not many people know about them. If you like your celica, but want more power and handling, go for the gt4. buckets more power, even more with a few simple mods (decat, and exhaust, easily an extra 30bhp on standard) turn the boost up, easily get over 300bhp without any money spent. Yeah if you boost it everywhere it'll drink, but if you poodle to work off boost you'll get 30mpg easily. Much better handling then the ITR and you don't have to rev the nuts off it to get any power.
More reliable then scoobies, much cheaper to insure (about a 1/3 comparing like for like quotes for me!) Chavs don't know about GT4s so they don't crash or steal them! Most will of been owned by enthusiasts, as the majority don't know about them so wouldn't consider it.
Buy a GT4 that has been looked after and it'll be reliable for 200k.
Scoobies have a reputation on the GT4OC as having 'chocolate engines' alot of people on the oc went from scoobies to GT4s!
GT4s tend to work out cheaper as not many people know about them. If you like your celica, but want more power and handling, go for the gt4. buckets more power, even more with a few simple mods (decat, and exhaust, easily an extra 30bhp on standard) turn the boost up, easily get over 300bhp without any money spent. Yeah if you boost it everywhere it'll drink, but if you poodle to work off boost you'll get 30mpg easily. Much better handling then the ITR and you don't have to rev the nuts off it to get any power.
More reliable then scoobies, much cheaper to insure (about a 1/3 comparing like for like quotes for me!) Chavs don't know about GT4s so they don't crash or steal them! Most will of been owned by enthusiasts, as the majority don't know about them so wouldn't consider it.
Buy a GT4 that has been looked after and it'll be reliable for 200k.
Scoobies have a reputation on the GT4OC as having 'chocolate engines' alot of people on the oc went from scoobies to GT4s!
Thank you, very interesting to know what one of my all time favourite cars is capable of achieving! I have a Celica GT at the moment so an upgrade is probably the best way, i think. Reliability is my main issue with the Evo4, can't quite afford an Evo6 yet. But i understand the basics of the celica anyhow, so it makes sense.
Along the line of scoobies having 'chocolate engines' yes i have also read this. Amazing cars but too much for me to maintain. Is it possible for a GT4 to hit 60 in sub 5 seconds?
Along the line of scoobies having 'chocolate engines' yes i have also read this. Amazing cars but too much for me to maintain. Is it possible for a GT4 to hit 60 in sub 5 seconds?
my old GT4 did 0-60 times under 5 secs. It had performance exhaust, boost turned up to 1.2bar, good tyres, useless weight removed etc. But you don't want to be doing many 0-60 starts as the clutch will only give you a few. ;-)
My bro's EVO4 RS on the other hand does 0-60 in 3.9 .... and that's standard from the factory !!
The engine problems you hear of with EVOs are from badly tuned ones. If you can find a standard non-tuned engine you'll be on a winner.... no need to tune them up as they are fast enough.
GT4 bhp is around the 240-250 area stock..... EVOs are 280bhp area stock.... therefore the transmission and everything else has already been designed for that type of horsepower. just something to bear in mind.
Not knocking GT4s by the way, I really liked mine. But the difference between a GT4 and an EVO is a whole league apart.
GT4's is as mentioned already are cheaper to run as an everyday car.
My bro's EVO4 RS on the other hand does 0-60 in 3.9 .... and that's standard from the factory !!
The engine problems you hear of with EVOs are from badly tuned ones. If you can find a standard non-tuned engine you'll be on a winner.... no need to tune them up as they are fast enough.
GT4 bhp is around the 240-250 area stock..... EVOs are 280bhp area stock.... therefore the transmission and everything else has already been designed for that type of horsepower. just something to bear in mind.
Not knocking GT4s by the way, I really liked mine. But the difference between a GT4 and an EVO is a whole league apart.
GT4's is as mentioned already are cheaper to run as an everyday car.
Riknos said:
Personally, I've heard bad things about evo4s. If you were thinking evo6, then yes yes yes! But the earlier evo's aren't as reliable / powerful/ as good brakes. Most will of been thrashed and not serviced correctly.
GT4s tend to work out cheaper as not many people know about them. If you like your celica, but want more power and handling, go for the gt4. buckets more power, even more with a few simple mods (decat, and exhaust, easily an extra 30bhp on standard) turn the boost up, easily get over 300bhp without any money spent. Yeah if you boost it everywhere it'll drink, but if you poodle to work off boost you'll get 30mpg easily. Much better handling then the ITR and you don't have to rev the nuts off it to get any power.
More reliable then scoobies, much cheaper to insure (about a 1/3 comparing like for like quotes for me!) Chavs don't know about GT4s so they don't crash or steal them! Most will of been owned by enthusiasts, as the majority don't know about them so wouldn't consider it.
Buy a GT4 that has been looked after and it'll be reliable for 200k.
Scoobies have a reputation on the GT4OC as having 'chocolate engines' alot of people on the oc went from scoobies to GT4s!
GT4s tend to work out cheaper as not many people know about them. If you like your celica, but want more power and handling, go for the gt4. buckets more power, even more with a few simple mods (decat, and exhaust, easily an extra 30bhp on standard) turn the boost up, easily get over 300bhp without any money spent. Yeah if you boost it everywhere it'll drink, but if you poodle to work off boost you'll get 30mpg easily. Much better handling then the ITR and you don't have to rev the nuts off it to get any power.
More reliable then scoobies, much cheaper to insure (about a 1/3 comparing like for like quotes for me!) Chavs don't know about GT4s so they don't crash or steal them! Most will of been owned by enthusiasts, as the majority don't know about them so wouldn't consider it.
Buy a GT4 that has been looked after and it'll be reliable for 200k.
Scoobies have a reputation on the GT4OC as having 'chocolate engines' alot of people on the oc went from scoobies to GT4s!
I think you're having a laugh about about scooby unreliability. They top all the reliability and dealer satisfaction surveys so where you get your reliability info from i have no idea. Probably down the pub where all the other armchair experts reside.
Every car known to man has an issue of one sort or another, some more than their fair share and although scoobys aren't perfect or come to that particularly great looking they are ultra reliable, have bullet proof mechanicals, are quick, dead easy and cost effective to mod for plenty of extra horses and better handling, and nice to drive and live with everyday.
They have great handling and an excellent reputation. Parts available everywhere for not as much cost as some of the aforementioned vehicles and you can drive the arse off them one minute, leaving some of the aforementioned vehicles down B roads as tiny dots in your rear view mirror, and the next lend it to your granny to do her shopping.
In WRX sportwagon form they are extremely practical, as quick as the 4dr, and i can vouch for their exceptional and predictable handling. A very safe bit of kit!! They don't have yaw or traction control to help you get round the corners either...a proper drivers car!!! 50/50 full time assymetrical 4WD means you won't get stuck in the shit like everyone else around you and traction out of corners and on high speed bends almost defies the laws of physics. Out of the box they'll pull 1G in the bends, not bad for an ugly duckling!!
I'll get off me soapbox now
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