"Just stepped down v 'Totally Blown it' - Meredydd Hughes???
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Some sematically based editing of my previous (slightly;-)) overblown post going on here! Innacuracy on both sides therefore :
I say 'Hughes banned' you edit to 'just stepped down from an ACPO post'. 2 different inaccurate spins!! The public know the truth!
Meantime, thanks to Brunstrom's finest again for keeping us so safe from road menace
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I say 'Hughes banned' you edit to 'just stepped down from an ACPO post'. 2 different inaccurate spins!! The public know the truth!
Meantime, thanks to Brunstrom's finest again for keeping us so safe from road menace
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It's a lot more relevant than many long term bumps, especially when by one or two posters who shall remain nameless.
In the circumstances, I don't think there's too much to complain about in Hughes heading up a private company designed to profit from speed enforcement. Gamekeeper turned poacher turned gun seller seems fine to me.
In the circumstances, I don't think there's too much to complain about in Hughes heading up a private company designed to profit from speed enforcement. Gamekeeper turned poacher turned gun seller seems fine to me.
Speeding drive ban cop Meredydd Hughes gets new road safety role Walesonline newspaper 8 Sept. 2013 said:
Mr Hughes, who started his career with South Wales Police, was returning from a short holiday in North Wales when he was snapped by speed cameras in May 2007.
He was disqualified for 42 days and fined £350 by Wrexham magistrates.
Before his ban the Welsh chief constable had previously received two fixed penalty notices for speeding.
He reads like one of those 'Serial Speeders'. With hindsight perhaps he should have gone for a Speed Awareness Course rather than the FPNs. He was disqualified for 42 days and fined £350 by Wrexham magistrates.
Before his ban the Welsh chief constable had previously received two fixed penalty notices for speeding.
Some firms place restrictions on their sales staff to stop them taking their client list with them, and imposing stuff like gardening leave to ensure that they're out of circulation for a year or so. It could seem this chap is being hired for who he knows and the connections he's made. I'm not sure how such a practice would compare with Ann Barnes Kent's PCC second Teenage PCC being in a relationship with a Councillor or a police officer flashing their ID to get free entry into a night club?
I guess probity and proprietary are a difficult balance and call sometimes?
It could be argued it would be better for the organisation to employ someone that has connections and knows their onions rather than a keen amateur like some of the PCCs, but then again what's the function of this organisation? It's just a commercial organisation that seeks to make money from speed enforcement?
I guess probity and proprietary are a difficult balance and call sometimes?
It could be argued it would be better for the organisation to employ someone that has connections and knows their onions rather than a keen amateur like some of the PCCs, but then again what's the function of this organisation? It's just a commercial organisation that seeks to make money from speed enforcement?
BTW, this was the ltd company Med Hughes was a part of when he was Chief Constable years before the 2013 article above. Perhaps there was a shuffle on the companies' house records and someone got over-excited.
carinaman said:
It's just a commercial organisation that seeks to make money from speed enforcement?
Road Safety Support said:
Road Safety Support is a not-for-profit company that provides a range of specialist services to local authorities, the police and other organisations in the UK and overseas that share our commitment to road casualty reduction.
Fatalities on our roads have reached a record low so perhaps it works.
If there's a link between his activities and that reduction in fatalities perhaps it's deserved of recognition?
I'd still like to see young drivers that pass the IAM or RoSPA tests have the IPT on their car insurance premiums waived, a little carrot to go to get some more training. 'You learn to drive once you pass your test' is a frequently uttered adage.
If there's a link between his activities and that reduction in fatalities perhaps it's deserved of recognition?
I'd still like to see young drivers that pass the IAM or RoSPA tests have the IPT on their car insurance premiums waived, a little carrot to go to get some more training. 'You learn to drive once you pass your test' is a frequently uttered adage.
I expect reduced fatalities are down to lots of factors working together, including factors out of the control of the authorities like better vehicle design.
I get the impression he genuinely cared about public services and keeping the public safe. I also think he was motivated by 'status' and liked the importance of being a CC and leader. This isn't an uncommon motivation people senior in large organisations.
He was apparently head-hunted by a private company to be their head of HR when he passed his strategic commanders' course (to become of ACPO rank), with pay and conditions far outweighing his policing ones. He turned it down which suggest he's not motivated by money and profit.
The problem is, one mistake (and getting banned from driving whilst head of roads' policing is a pretty good one) skews perception of a whole career which may have been superb public service.
I get the impression he genuinely cared about public services and keeping the public safe. I also think he was motivated by 'status' and liked the importance of being a CC and leader. This isn't an uncommon motivation people senior in large organisations.
He was apparently head-hunted by a private company to be their head of HR when he passed his strategic commanders' course (to become of ACPO rank), with pay and conditions far outweighing his policing ones. He turned it down which suggest he's not motivated by money and profit.
The problem is, one mistake (and getting banned from driving whilst head of roads' policing is a pretty good one) skews perception of a whole career which may have been superb public service.
carinaman said:
It's just a commercial organisation that seeks to make money from speed enforcement?
Road Safety Support said:
Road Safety Support is a not-for-profit company that provides a range of specialist services to local authorities, the police and other organisations in the UK and overseas that share our commitment to road casualty reduction.
Hope I'm not too cynical here as there is no ulterior motive - I actually think the guy was as human as most of us. Its just the hypocrisy that rankles a bit. And all's well that ends well. So its a happy ending story
La Liga said:
I expect reduced fatalities are down to lots of factors working together, including factors out of the control of the authorities like better vehicle design.
I get the impression he genuinely cared about public services and keeping the public safe. I also think he was motivated by 'status' and liked the importance of being a CC and leader. This isn't an uncommon motivation people senior in large organisations.
He was apparently head-hunted by a private company to be their head of HR when he passed his strategic commanders' course (to become of ACPO rank), with pay and conditions far outweighing his policing ones. He turned it down which suggest he's not motivated by money and profit.
The problem is, one mistake (and getting banned from driving whilst head of roads' policing is a pretty good one) skews perception of a whole career which may have been superb public service.
I get the impression he genuinely cared about public services and keeping the public safe. I also think he was motivated by 'status' and liked the importance of being a CC and leader. This isn't an uncommon motivation people senior in large organisations.
He was apparently head-hunted by a private company to be their head of HR when he passed his strategic commanders' course (to become of ACPO rank), with pay and conditions far outweighing his policing ones. He turned it down which suggest he's not motivated by money and profit.
The problem is, one mistake (and getting banned from driving whilst head of roads' policing is a pretty good one) skews perception of a whole career which may have been superb public service.
Bingo Brian said:
Hope I'm not too cynical here as there is no ulterior motive - I actually think the guy was as human as most of us. Its just the hypocrisy that rankles a bit.
Having driven for years, I've possibly driven at the sort of velocities that may attract a ban. I don't think they were dangerous at the time and I don't think they were now, though I have thought about it a bit following that Toyota flying over a building and into a car park in Dover but more from a 'what if' angle if something was to happen at those speeds. It's more by luck than judgement that I wasn't a young driver statistic.If I was in a similar position would I suddenly start driving within every speed limit? If I thought the M-way was quiet and conditions were good would I exceed the 70 limit? Would I think myself a fraud if I started driving within every speed limit due it being deemed more inappropriate due to a job title, standards setter or head of an organisation?
90 on an A-road with a 60 limit seems more serious than doing it on an NSL dual carriageway. I am assuming the road he was doing 90 on wasn't a dual carriageway?
His ban and damage to his reputation is collateral damage due to the 'Speed Kills' mantra, but such casualities are worth it if it results in record lows for recorded fatalities on the road? He's still here breathing and earning where as some others aren't?
I agree with a lot of that but if you back a horse... If you choose which side of the fence you are preaching from and earning your crust from? If you select which part of the cake you are eating from then that cake is your bread an butter (sorry). I sense some indecision with you!
I am also happy to have a return to the sensible policing where common sense applied, roads were policed properly, I felt safer, you were 10,000% more likely to get nicked if you were full of beer - and delete the new 'computer says no' invoice in the post 'all sorted' approach if you did 85 on an empty motorway or hit 80 overtaking on an A road for 4"...
I am also happy to have a return to the sensible policing where common sense applied, roads were policed properly, I felt safer, you were 10,000% more likely to get nicked if you were full of beer - and delete the new 'computer says no' invoice in the post 'all sorted' approach if you did 85 on an empty motorway or hit 80 overtaking on an A road for 4"...
Edited by Bingo Brian on Friday 27th June 19:54
Edited by Bingo Brian on Friday 27th June 19:56
La Liga said:
The problem is, one mistake (and getting banned from driving whilst head of roads' policing is a pretty good one) skews perception of a whole career which may have been superb public service.
If one's career lives by the sword, it should die by the sword. Anything else is hypocrisy.I'm off for a month's scuba diving- I'll look at the disagreements when I get back.
Edited by Rovinghawk on Friday 27th June 23:10
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