Why is the series been names the Tuscan and Sag Challenge

[jellison]

When any TVR can still do it?

Surely just the TVR Challenge is a much more obvious one?

[Daftlad]

jellison said:

When any TVR can still do it?

Surely just the TVR Challenge is a much more obvious one?

And there are no proper Sagari competing so far either!!

[jellison]

Daftlad said:

jellison said:

When any TVR can still do it?

Surely just the TVR Challenge is a much more obvious one?

And there are no proper Sagari competing so far either!!

Well obviously - they would not last 5 minutes!

Seems a Title dream't up down the pub, going to be all and any TVR's, let em think we could call it the Griff200, 400, Grantura, Vixen, Cerbera, 2500m, 3000m, 1600m, Chimeara, Griffith, Tuscan, Sagaris, T350, 3501, 390, 420, etc, etc Challenge. Would make nore sense!

[Graham]

I think there are issues over using TVR in the title which may be the problem. We could have re-used the TVRcc Challenge name, but I guess with main series co-ordinator coming from the Tuscan side that wasnt going to happen, and T&S challenge is a reflection that its moved on from just the tuscans...
looks a little odd though I'll admit but as long as the racings good i dont really care :-)


still could be worse channel 111 on sky has been renamed Dave and my wife calls the series "that f**king racing"

[jellison]

Graham said:

I think there are issues over using TVR in the title which may be the problem. We could have re-used the TVRcc Challenge name, but I guess with main series co-ordinator coming from the Tuscan side that wasnt going to happen, and T&S challenge is a reflection that its moved on from just the tuscans...
looks a little odd though I'll admit but as long as the racings good i dont really care :-)


still could be worse channel 111 on sky has been renamed Dave and my wife calls the series "that f**king racing"

Tell me about it - I just get rolled eyes when I mention my races cars!

[GlynnsportRacing]

Daftlad said:

jellison said:

When any TVR can still do it?

Surely just the TVR Challenge is a much more obvious one?

And there are no proper Sagari competing so far either!!

I guess that depends on what you call a proper Sagaris. You're right in that the race Sagari in the Series so far have all been developed from the race Tuscan Chassis and clearly have full racing parts to ensure safety and durability. The body shells all came from the Factory and so are original with minor adaptations to get the air flow into the bonnet.

In a way, what's more interesting is that the race Tuscans never bore any resemblance to the road version at all and yet have never provoked such a comment!

[jellison]

GlynnsportRacing said:

Daftlad said:

jellison said:

When any TVR can still do it?

Surely just the TVR Challenge is a much more obvious one?

And there are no proper Sagari competing so far either!!

In a way, what's more interesting is that the race Tuscans never bore any resemblance to the road version at all and yet have never provoked such a comment!

Why would they - they are a separate manufactured car - just cos not a road car why would anyone have an issue with them. Just reusing the name like the Mk 90's Griff's

[GlynnsportRacing]

[quote]Why would they - they are a separate manufactured car - just cos not a road car why would anyone have an issue with them. Just reusing the name like the Mk 90's Griff's
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Indeed, so too are the current Sag racers as TVR themselves showed little interest in developing them further and then pulled out of motorsport entirely. The rest, sadly, is history.

[ceejay]

The TopCats racer looks very much like a Sag other than the air filters in the bonnet for the AJP8. They managed to keep to the original Sag profile really well because they chose to modify the tuscan chassis instead of the body. It's still got the Sag dash in it and looks absolutely stunning. Shame it doesn't race in the TVR series.

ceejay

[GlynnsportRacing]

Yeah it would be great if they came out to play with us, not sure they're planning to however. Do they in fact run a race AJP8 in their Sag'?

[Daftlad]

GlynnsportRacing said:

Daftlad said:

jellison said:

When any TVR can still do it?

Surely just the TVR Challenge is a much more obvious one?

And there are no proper Sagari competing so far either!!

I guess that depends on what you call a proper Sagaris. You're right in that the race Sagari in the Series so far have all been developed from the race Tuscan Chassis and clearly have full racing parts to ensure safety and durability. The body shells all came from the Factory and so are original with minor adaptations to get the air flow into the bonnet.

In a way, what's more interesting is that the race Tuscans never bore any resemblance to the road version at all and yet have never provoked such a comment!

I would probably call a Sagaris something with a Sagaris chassis, Sagaris body and Sagris engine a Sagaris. Call me old fashioned, but when you can't meet the criteria of one of those three, I think there is a credibility issue. (body chopped to pieces in the name of aerodynamics and fitting a different chassis are hardly minor adaptaions)

Its not even close enough to be a hybrid.............sorry (a Sagaris owner).

[jellison]

Does anyone run an SP6 as a racer - as an individual (not a race team like at Lemans) seem to me to be asking for the inevitible trouble - just alot sooner and with a bigger bang.

Do like the Tuscan Sags. Think championship should be on widish Blue Book road tyres though - too much Grip is Crap.

[Daftlad]

jellison said:

Does anyone run an SP6 as a racer - as an individual (not a race team like at Lemans) seem to me to be asking for the inevitible trouble - just alot sooner and with a bigger bang.

Do like the Tuscan Sags. Think championship should be on widish Blue Book road tyres though - too much Grip is Crap.

Engine would last I think Jed if built properly and freshened at realistic intervals. They dont however, fit well within the P/W regs that are being punted about. Even the T350 that ran last year would be a dubious choice for a well policed class B.

[Graham]

jellison said:

Does anyone run an SP6 as a racer - as an individual (not a race team like at Lemans) seem to me to be asking for the inevitible trouble - just alot sooner and with a bigger bang.

yep cliff in his T350.

jellison said:

Do like the Tuscan Sags. Think championship should be on widish Blue Book road tyres though - too much Grip is Crap.

Do you have shares in a grp company or something !!!!! I dont think the tuscans have ever been accused of too much grip !!!


it'll be interesting if/when i get my next car finished.. it'll have Tuscan chassis, Tuscan suspension,Tuscan Body,Tuscan (based)engine


just not necessarily all from the same model tuscan

[Graham]

Daftlad said:

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Engine would last I think Jed if built properly and freshened at realistic intervals. They dont however, fit well within the P/W regs that are being punted about. Even the T350 that ran last year would be a dubious choice for a well policed class B.

I'd have thought a t350 s6 would be about bang on 300bhp/ton at the wheels ?

[Daftlad]

Graham said:

Daftlad said:

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Engine would last I think Jed if built properly and freshened at realistic intervals. They dont however, fit well within the P/W regs that are being punted about. Even the T350 that ran last year would be a dubious choice for a well policed class B.

I'd have thought a t350 s6 would be about bang on 300bhp/ton at the wheels ?

I would have thought a stripped out car with a good engine in almost standard form would be the wrong side of that figure (Class A)- you're probably right and I'd not considered ballasting a car to run in class B.

[ceejay]

Graham said:

Daftlad said:

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Engine would last I think Jed if built properly and freshened at realistic intervals. They dont however, fit well within the P/W regs that are being punted about. Even the T350 that ran last year would be a dubious choice for a well policed class B.

I'd have thought a t350 s6 would be about bang on 300bhp/ton at the wheels ?

At Rockingham this season we had 307bhp at the fly, probably about 260 at the wheels in a car weighing 1100kg. Next season the car will be bang on the 300bhp/tonne ATW inc driver with a really strong motor.

ceejay

[ceejay]

Daftlad said:

Graham said:

Daftlad said:

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Engine would last I think Jed if built properly and freshened at realistic intervals. They dont however, fit well within the P/W regs that are being punted about. Even the T350 that ran last year would be a dubious choice for a well policed class B.

I'd have thought a t350 s6 would be about bang on 300bhp/ton at the wheels ?

I would have thought a stripped out car with a good engine in almost standard form would be the wrong side of that figure (Class A)- you're probably right and I'd not considered ballasting a car to run in class B.

You don't need to ballast it, the roll cage weighs far more than a bit of carpet, interior trim and a passenger seat. The weight also includes the driver (about 70kg for me) so at a rough guess in a T350 you'd need something like 380 - 400bhp at the fly.

ceejay

[Daftlad]

ceejay said:

Daftlad said:

Graham said:

Daftlad said:

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Engine would last I think Jed if built properly and freshened at realistic intervals. They dont however, fit well within the P/W regs that are being punted about. Even the T350 that ran last year would be a dubious choice for a well policed class B.

I'd have thought a t350 s6 would be about bang on 300bhp/ton at the wheels ?

I would have thought a stripped out car with a good engine in almost standard form would be the wrong side of that figure (Class A)- you're probably right and I'd not considered ballasting a car to run in class B.

You don't need to ballast it, the roll cage weighs far more than a bit of carpet, interior trim and a passenger seat. The weight also includes the driver (about 70kg for me) so at a rough guess in a T350 you'd need something like 380 - 400bhp at the fly.

ceejay

The car has a cage so it's differntial weight, loss of glass, aircon, interior, wheels etc - it matters not - the weighbridge will tell the story.

I did say a fit engine and 380 is not earth shattering for a well built S6 assuming it stays as a 3,6 .

[jellison]

Daftlad said:

ceejay said:

Daftlad said:

Graham said:

Daftlad said:

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Engine would last I think Jed if built properly and freshened at realistic intervals. They dont however, fit well within the P/W regs that are being punted about. Even the T350 that ran last year would be a dubious choice for a well policed class B.

I'd have thought a t350 s6 would be about bang on 300bhp/ton at the wheels ?

I would have thought a stripped out car with a good engine in almost standard form would be the wrong side of that figure (Class A)- you're probably right and I'd not considered ballasting a car to run in class B.

You don't need to ballast it, the roll cage weighs far more than a bit of carpet, interior trim and a passenger seat. The weight also includes the driver (about 70kg for me) so at a rough guess in a T350 you'd need something like 380 - 400bhp at the fly.

ceejay

The car has a cage so it's differntial weight, loss of glass, aircon, interior, wheels etc - it matters not - the weighbridge will tell the story.

I did say a fit engine and 380 is not earth shattering for a well built S6 assuming it stays as a 3,6 .

But Sags are lucky to make 365bhp at the fly from the ones at SRR (and Tuscan S's) and around 310ft/lbs.

Is it not just a straight below 300 / upto 350 / and over 400bhp at the fly class structure? Seem MASSIVELY Open to cheating unless they are checked on dynos regularly.