re: Road Deaths Cut
Thursday 26th June 2003
Road Deaths Cut
The trend is in the right direction...
Discussion
This is promising news, but I bet some bright spark in a statistics office somewhere will find a graph of scameras installed and suggest that if there was one every two feet, not only would no-one die, but the hole in the ozone layer would seal up, crops would grow in the Sahara and there would be no more war, anywhere, ever.
Yeah, totally agree. I mean its great that less people are being killed, but the safety lobby will latch onto it and call for more cameras and mobiles sites etc. As an example, anyone remember the report a few months ago saying scameras save lives? Preston council latched onto that, and are installing 120 (!!!!) new cameras, just in one town!
I'm not so sure of these statistics.
If say there was a big change 10-20% then fair enough you could say that was a definite trend change.
But low %'s like 3-4% particularly when the sample is small like in the 1000's compared to the millions in the driving population surely these small changes could just be down to cirumstancial variationss and not directly as the result of better education/enforcement/skill/awareness or other positive actions.
Just mho.
If say there was a big change 10-20% then fair enough you could say that was a definite trend change.
But low %'s like 3-4% particularly when the sample is small like in the 1000's compared to the millions in the driving population surely these small changes could just be down to cirumstancial variationss and not directly as the result of better education/enforcement/skill/awareness or other positive actions.
Just mho.
These stats prove no causal link between falling KSIs and speed enforcement.
It could be education of pedestrians/children, improved vehicle engineering, increased congestion, statistical anomalies or many other things which explain this reduction.
The only thing that will prove speed cameras are working in any respect at all is when the number of NIPs issued each year begins to fall against a constant or rising number of cameras.
Edit: What's more, this 'less people killed is a good thing' line is just a sign that no-one's looking at the bigger picture.
Less people are dying by just about every measure possible now in the UK. The coutry's full - we need a steady or growing overall mortality rate, not this sanctity of every individual life crap
It's all just more state benefits and pensions we have to fund everytime a life is saved, you know..
>> Edited by CarZee (moderator) on Friday 27th June 11:36
It could be education of pedestrians/children, improved vehicle engineering, increased congestion, statistical anomalies or many other things which explain this reduction.
The only thing that will prove speed cameras are working in any respect at all is when the number of NIPs issued each year begins to fall against a constant or rising number of cameras.
Edit: What's more, this 'less people killed is a good thing' line is just a sign that no-one's looking at the bigger picture.
Less people are dying by just about every measure possible now in the UK. The coutry's full - we need a steady or growing overall mortality rate, not this sanctity of every individual life crap
It's all just more state benefits and pensions we have to fund everytime a life is saved, you know..
>> Edited by CarZee (moderator) on Friday 27th June 11:36
CarZee said:
The coutry's full - we need a steady or growing overall mortality rate, not this sanctity of every individual life crap
It's all just more state benefits and pensions we have to fund everytime a life is saved, you know..
>> Edited by CarZee (moderator) on Friday 27th June 11:36
So how many of your family are you going to put up for early composting.
Quote The trend is in the right direction...
RUBBISH!!
It seems that almost every police force in the UK and every safety scamera partnership are making wondrous claims about the effectiveness of Gatsos etc in reducing road casualties. And yet the 2002 report on UK road fatalities, just released shows no such thing.
For years fatalities HAD been falling steadily despite a significant growth in traffic volume. Since 1998 when 3421 people died on UK roads there has been virtually no change whatsoever in fatality rates; 3423 in 99, 3409 in 00, 3443 in 01 and 3431 last year. This despite the fact that cars are getting much safer according to NCAP results.
Something is going badly wrong. Is this the ammunition we need to challenge the increasingly widespread use of scameras?
RUBBISH!!
It seems that almost every police force in the UK and every safety scamera partnership are making wondrous claims about the effectiveness of Gatsos etc in reducing road casualties. And yet the 2002 report on UK road fatalities, just released shows no such thing.
For years fatalities HAD been falling steadily despite a significant growth in traffic volume. Since 1998 when 3421 people died on UK roads there has been virtually no change whatsoever in fatality rates; 3423 in 99, 3409 in 00, 3443 in 01 and 3431 last year. This despite the fact that cars are getting much safer according to NCAP results.
Something is going badly wrong. Is this the ammunition we need to challenge the increasingly widespread use of scameras?
Liers, cheats, robbers, yes our friends who make decisions over us. All tarred with same brush. Like Nazi Goebbels statistics, lie and lie again and people will believe it.
10 years ago a pedestrian was killed in a road accident - 1 dead. Today a pedestrian was mown down by a truck, his limbs were torn from him and he remains cabbage (saved by technology) but alive - thank god for statistics - PAH!.
10 years ago a pedestrian was killed in a road accident - 1 dead. Today a pedestrian was mown down by a truck, his limbs were torn from him and he remains cabbage (saved by technology) but alive - thank god for statistics - PAH!.
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