Impreza WRX STI - WR1
Discussion
Rather than ask have a look for yourself. The problem with PH is there are too many armchair critics and experts that haven't even driven or owned one so you'll get all sorts of opinionated bullshit on here from people that think they know better than everyone else, and you'll get comments like...'Oh...the WR1 isn't as good as...because...' It's all bo
ocks really!!
The links below are reviews and enthusiasts websites...go and talk to people that really know what they are talking about. Unfortunately there aren't many people on PH that actually do know what they are talking about and can offer decent and impartial advice. Maybe one or two of them will comment
IMHO only....i think the WR1 is the older equivalent of todays RB320 in terms of power output and comparable performance. 4drs etc... Major difference as far as i can see is the engine...one being 2.0L and the RB320 is 2.5L plus cosmetic and suspension changes but the WR1, and as far as i can tell, is a much liked car and pretty rare too. I'd have one for sure.
Read on.....
http://www.carpages.co.uk/subaru/subaru_impreza_wr...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Su...
http://www.subaru-impreza.org/about_us_code_of_con...
http://www.scoobycity.co.uk/phpBB2/portal.php
http://www.scouk.net/subaru-impreza/special-editio...
http://www.sidc.co.uk/
ocks really!!The links below are reviews and enthusiasts websites...go and talk to people that really know what they are talking about. Unfortunately there aren't many people on PH that actually do know what they are talking about and can offer decent and impartial advice. Maybe one or two of them will comment
IMHO only....i think the WR1 is the older equivalent of todays RB320 in terms of power output and comparable performance. 4drs etc... Major difference as far as i can see is the engine...one being 2.0L and the RB320 is 2.5L plus cosmetic and suspension changes but the WR1, and as far as i can tell, is a much liked car and pretty rare too. I'd have one for sure.
Read on.....
http://www.carpages.co.uk/subaru/subaru_impreza_wr...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Su...
http://www.subaru-impreza.org/about_us_code_of_con...
http://www.scoobycity.co.uk/phpBB2/portal.php
http://www.scouk.net/subaru-impreza/special-editio...
http://www.sidc.co.uk/
The WR1 is a fully loaded STi will every Prodrive goody they had at the time.
And a exclusive at the tiem Toothpaste Blue paint job!
you could probably go for a 2006/7 STi with the prodrive pack for the same money and have a 2.5 engine which gives you a bit more low down torque.
Loads of info on
http://www.wr1oc.co.uk/forum/portal.php
And a exclusive at the tiem Toothpaste Blue paint job!
you could probably go for a 2006/7 STi with the prodrive pack for the same money and have a 2.5 engine which gives you a bit more low down torque.
Loads of info on
http://www.wr1oc.co.uk/forum/portal.php
Edited by stevieb on Monday 5th November 12:12
ScoobieWRX said:
Rather than ask have a look for yourself. The problem with PH is there are too many armchair critics and experts that haven't even driven or owned one so you'll get all sorts of opinionated bullshit on here from people that think they know better than everyone else, and you'll get comments like...'Oh...the WR1 isn't as good as...because...' It's all boocks really!!
True. but overall the WR1 is a entusiast dream to own! ocks really!!Like i said...I wouldn't say no...and if i couldn't afford a 22b, RB320, Spec C TypeRA-R,used Type 25 etc.. i would definately go for the WR1 over a P1 anyway, although i think the P1 is a cracking bit of kit despite having chocolate pistons
That's the website i was looking for...Nice one StevieB
That's the website i was looking for...Nice one StevieB
No doubt the WR1 will be hugely capable.
It uses the later GD chassis which is quite a bit heavier than the GC chassis which the P1 was based on. Having had a P1 for over 5 years I can say it's an absolutely terrific car and you can pick up an absolute mint one for £14k now and a perfectly happy one for around £10k. That'd be my choice.
Check out wikipedia on the chassis & WR1:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Impreza_WRX_ST...
The WR1 does have the DCCD centrally controlled diff though which can be fun. Forget the performance stats claimed at the time of the launch of the WR1 as they were complete bollyhocks.
If the styling of the WR1 does it for you then go for it. With any one of the range you can't go too far wrong is the honest truth. If you want a look at how much Imprezas cost to run then look at the P1 in my profile. I captured quite a few of the costs there.
Cheers.
It uses the later GD chassis which is quite a bit heavier than the GC chassis which the P1 was based on. Having had a P1 for over 5 years I can say it's an absolutely terrific car and you can pick up an absolute mint one for £14k now and a perfectly happy one for around £10k. That'd be my choice.
Check out wikipedia on the chassis & WR1:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Impreza_WRX_ST...
The WR1 does have the DCCD centrally controlled diff though which can be fun. Forget the performance stats claimed at the time of the launch of the WR1 as they were complete bollyhocks.
If the styling of the WR1 does it for you then go for it. With any one of the range you can't go too far wrong is the honest truth. If you want a look at how much Imprezas cost to run then look at the P1 in my profile. I captured quite a few of the costs there.
Cheers.
ScoobieWRX, You go on about people talking shit, then go and prove the point with some shit. The P1 has forged pistons which are more than man enough for over 400BHP, it's the same spec engine as an STi5.
The WR1 was the first oficial UK model to carry the DCCD-A transmition system, it uses the first generation of DCCD-A without the yaw sensor, using suretrack front and rear LSD's.
Special features on top of the stock STi Type UK spec at the time were Prodrive Sports Springs and Bump Stops, Prodrive Performance Package (330ps), Each Vehicle Individually Numbered, Chrome Mesh Grille Kit, DrivingLamps, Branded Carpet Mats, Gear Knob and Tax Disc Holder, Petter Solberg Key Fob and Centre Console Insert.
Key features of the spec were ABS with EBD, Full-Time Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive, Driver and Front Passenger Airbags, Height Adjustable Front Seat Belts with Pre-tensioners& Clamp, High-mounted Stop Lamp, Ring Shaped Reinforcement Frame, Rear Door Child Proof Locks, Side Door Protection Beams, Steering ColumnSupport Beam, 'Suretrac' Limited Slip Differential, Three Rear Seat Belts (3 Point ELR x 2) Lap & Diagonal Centre, including ISOFIX Child SeatMountings in Rear, Category 1 Remote Alarm/Immobiliser, RAC Trackstar Satellite Security inc. 1 Year's Free Subscription, Remote Central Lockingwith Deadlocks and Keyless Entry, Security Window Etching, Aluminium Bonnet, Colour Coded Bumpers & Side Sills, Colour Coded Door Mirrors &Handles, Front Wash Wiper (Variable Intermittent), 18’’ Alloy Wheels, Heated Electric Door Mirrors, High Rise Rear Spoiler, Sill Spoilers, Water Sprayfor Turbo Intercooler, Adjustable Rev Warning Indicator, Aluminium Pedals, Bucket Seats with STi Motif, Centre Console Cup Holder, ChromedHandbrake Button, Electric Headlamp Levelling, Electric Windows with Tinted Glass, Front Cup Holder, Interior Boot Release, Interior Fuel LidRelease, Leather Gear Knob with Red Stitching, Leather Hand Brake Lever with Red Stitching, Outside Temperature Gauge, Quartz Digital Clock, RearSeat Boot-Through Facility, Rear Window Demister, STi Branded Aluminium Gear Lever Surround, STi Branded Chrome Exhaust Muffler, STi BrandedTurbo Intercooler, Suede Effect Interior, Tachometer, Tilt Adjustable STi Branded Leather MOMO Steering Wheel with Red Stitching, Twin MapReading Spotlights, Air Conditioning (Semi-Automatic), Height and Tilt Adjustable Driver's Seat, Speed Sensitive Power Steering, Single CD Player withLW/AM/FM Stereo Radio Cassette (RDS) (with 4 Speakers & Window Aerial)
They made 500 WR1's, with a similar spec Solberg edition available in mainland Europe. On the road price was £29,995.00 I drove number 2 both on track and road, it's a nice car with no nasties to talk about.
The WR1 was the first oficial UK model to carry the DCCD-A transmition system, it uses the first generation of DCCD-A without the yaw sensor, using suretrack front and rear LSD's.
Special features on top of the stock STi Type UK spec at the time were Prodrive Sports Springs and Bump Stops, Prodrive Performance Package (330ps), Each Vehicle Individually Numbered, Chrome Mesh Grille Kit, DrivingLamps, Branded Carpet Mats, Gear Knob and Tax Disc Holder, Petter Solberg Key Fob and Centre Console Insert.
Key features of the spec were ABS with EBD, Full-Time Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive, Driver and Front Passenger Airbags, Height Adjustable Front Seat Belts with Pre-tensioners& Clamp, High-mounted Stop Lamp, Ring Shaped Reinforcement Frame, Rear Door Child Proof Locks, Side Door Protection Beams, Steering ColumnSupport Beam, 'Suretrac' Limited Slip Differential, Three Rear Seat Belts (3 Point ELR x 2) Lap & Diagonal Centre, including ISOFIX Child SeatMountings in Rear, Category 1 Remote Alarm/Immobiliser, RAC Trackstar Satellite Security inc. 1 Year's Free Subscription, Remote Central Lockingwith Deadlocks and Keyless Entry, Security Window Etching, Aluminium Bonnet, Colour Coded Bumpers & Side Sills, Colour Coded Door Mirrors &Handles, Front Wash Wiper (Variable Intermittent), 18’’ Alloy Wheels, Heated Electric Door Mirrors, High Rise Rear Spoiler, Sill Spoilers, Water Sprayfor Turbo Intercooler, Adjustable Rev Warning Indicator, Aluminium Pedals, Bucket Seats with STi Motif, Centre Console Cup Holder, ChromedHandbrake Button, Electric Headlamp Levelling, Electric Windows with Tinted Glass, Front Cup Holder, Interior Boot Release, Interior Fuel LidRelease, Leather Gear Knob with Red Stitching, Leather Hand Brake Lever with Red Stitching, Outside Temperature Gauge, Quartz Digital Clock, RearSeat Boot-Through Facility, Rear Window Demister, STi Branded Aluminium Gear Lever Surround, STi Branded Chrome Exhaust Muffler, STi BrandedTurbo Intercooler, Suede Effect Interior, Tachometer, Tilt Adjustable STi Branded Leather MOMO Steering Wheel with Red Stitching, Twin MapReading Spotlights, Air Conditioning (Semi-Automatic), Height and Tilt Adjustable Driver's Seat, Speed Sensitive Power Steering, Single CD Player withLW/AM/FM Stereo Radio Cassette (RDS) (with 4 Speakers & Window Aerial)
They made 500 WR1's, with a similar spec Solberg edition available in mainland Europe. On the road price was £29,995.00 I drove number 2 both on track and road, it's a nice car with no nasties to talk about.
Edited by johnfelstead on Monday 5th November 21:14
Before i commented i had a good look on P1WOC and it seems some P1's have a habit of going bang or end up with some serious knocking, between 40K and 60K miles, hence quite a few end up being rebuilt. The engines have either melted a piston or BigEnd bearings have gone.
That's why i made the quip about chocolate pistons. However it was said toungue in cheek.
Is that sh1t enough for you??
That's why i made the quip about chocolate pistons. However it was said toungue in cheek.
Is that sh1t enough for you??
Edited by ScoobieWRX on Monday 5th November 21:43
The "problem" with the P1 is not the pistons. The main weakness of that cars engine package is the MAF sensor which is fragile and over time deteriorates, leading to it running lean, it should be changed as a service item along with the cambelt if you want the engine to last.
Add to that the fact it uses an ECU with a map in it for 100RON, that then has a mod to the knock sensor input to try and make it retard the ignition more quickly to allow it to cope with 98RON, with lots of owners using 97RON and often 95RON making det issues more prevalent.
Add to that a lot of owners decat them without a remap, so the turbo produces lots of overboost det spikes.
Add to that lots of people fit aftermarket air filters that damage the MAF sensor prematurly due to oil contamination and particulate erosion, leading to lean running det issues.
There is nothing wrong with the Pistons, they are very strong items for a stock engine. Stop spreading disimformation about the causes of problems and people might start to understand what they need to look for and change during their ownership, rather than spouting shit on the internet to further propogate nonsense.
Add to that the fact it uses an ECU with a map in it for 100RON, that then has a mod to the knock sensor input to try and make it retard the ignition more quickly to allow it to cope with 98RON, with lots of owners using 97RON and often 95RON making det issues more prevalent.
Add to that a lot of owners decat them without a remap, so the turbo produces lots of overboost det spikes.
Add to that lots of people fit aftermarket air filters that damage the MAF sensor prematurly due to oil contamination and particulate erosion, leading to lean running det issues.
There is nothing wrong with the Pistons, they are very strong items for a stock engine. Stop spreading disimformation about the causes of problems and people might start to understand what they need to look for and change during their ownership, rather than spouting shit on the internet to further propogate nonsense.
My P1 went bang after 43k and I had a new short motor fitted by Subaru within 5 days.
Gatwick Subaru's verdict seemed to concur with John's view that the mapping is the fundamental weak part of the P1's makeup, not the internals themselves. Get this sorted and the engine should be as reliable as any other Scoob and I don't think this should put off any prospective owner.
But as I said, a WR1 is a good choice too
Gatwick Subaru's verdict seemed to concur with John's view that the mapping is the fundamental weak part of the P1's makeup, not the internals themselves. Get this sorted and the engine should be as reliable as any other Scoob and I don't think this should put off any prospective owner.
But as I said, a WR1 is a good choice too
Edited by Smifffy on Monday 5th November 22:13
ScoobieWRX said:
Rather than ask have a look for yourself
Thanks for all the feedback and site links. I actually did test drive one on saturday and can't make my mind up whether to go for it or not. Hence my post to see if anyone on here already owns one. It seems to be a safe bet, with low(ish) running costs, good fun and the type of car I've been looking for.Thanks
johnfelstead said:
The "problem" with the P1 is not the pistons. The main weakness of that cars engine package is the MAF sensor which is fragile and over time deteriorates, leading to it running lean, it should be changed as a service item along with the cambelt if you want the engine to last.
Add to that the fact it uses an ECU with a map in it for 100RON, that then has a mod to the knock sensor input to try and make it retard the ignition more quickly to allow it to cope with 98RON, with lots of owners using 97RON and often 95RON making det issues more prevalent.
Add to that a lot of owners decat them without a remap, so the turbo produces lots of overboost det spikes.
Add to that lots of people fit aftermarket air filters that damage the MAF sensor prematurly due to oil contamination and particulate erosion, leading to lean running det issues.
There is nothing wrong with the Pistons, they are very strong items for a stock engine. Stop spreading disimformation about the causes of problems and people might start to understand what they need to look for and change during their ownership, rather than spouting shit on the internet to further propogate nonsense.
Why don't you go and look for yourself. I don't care what the explanation is for why they go bang or bloody pop, I am simply relaying my findings on what P1 owners are griping about, so have read on the P1WOC forum yourself and see what the owners have to say, or are they all spouting shit. Add to that the fact it uses an ECU with a map in it for 100RON, that then has a mod to the knock sensor input to try and make it retard the ignition more quickly to allow it to cope with 98RON, with lots of owners using 97RON and often 95RON making det issues more prevalent.
Add to that a lot of owners decat them without a remap, so the turbo produces lots of overboost det spikes.
Add to that lots of people fit aftermarket air filters that damage the MAF sensor prematurly due to oil contamination and particulate erosion, leading to lean running det issues.
There is nothing wrong with the Pistons, they are very strong items for a stock engine. Stop spreading disimformation about the causes of problems and people might start to understand what they need to look for and change during their ownership, rather than spouting shit on the internet to further propogate nonsense.
I am not spreading misinformation or spouting shit when it's already there for all to see regardless of what the cause is, and i didn't say what the cause was either, did i!! You have just explained the cause for a melted piston or knackered bigend, not me!! Read my posts properly!!
Perhaps if Subaru got it right in the first place maybe the engines wouldn't go bang, would they!!
Johnfelstead....i used to really enjoy reading your posts. I always felt you were someone that explained things from a professional and technical viewpoint, as you have today, and had a vast knowledge of the internal combustion engine. I also felt i learned something from reading what you wrote, and i always thought you were a decent bloke too, however.... I don't take kindly to insults, and being told i am spouting shit is insulting. I originally made a light hearted quip about the P1's engine, and i wasn't misinforming anyone, but you felt it was neccessary to take it personally and go for the jugular.
Well.....I don't know what your problem is but if i ever get to meet you face to face you'll not insult me again, and you'll know exactly where my shit is coming from, i promise!!
Edited by ScoobieWRX on Tuesday 6th November 00:56
So you didnt say the following, insulting pretty much everyone who post's on PH and brought into the conversation the base wording of shit as a narative ingedient?
"The problem with PH is there are too many armchair critics and experts that haven't even driven or owned one so you'll get all sorts of opinionated bullshit on here from people that think they know better than everyone else, and you'll get comments like...'Oh...the WR1 isn't as good as...because...' It's all boocks really!!
Then you go on to post your own version of the PH opinionated bullshit. Then you go on to threaten me for pointing out the hypocracy of that?
I dont need to read anything you are using to justify your chocolate piston coments, i know what the situation is with these cars far better than the majority of people, which is why i can counter what you posted a reality check.
Maybe this has changed your opinion of me, i cant help the fact what you post isnt acurate and should be corrected. Hopefully it will make you think a bit more about the acuracy of the things you post, it doesnt all have to be boocks (i assume you meant boocks) you know.
"The problem with PH is there are too many armchair critics and experts that haven't even driven or owned one so you'll get all sorts of opinionated bullshit on here from people that think they know better than everyone else, and you'll get comments like...'Oh...the WR1 isn't as good as...because...' It's all boocks really!!
Then you go on to post your own version of the PH opinionated bullshit. Then you go on to threaten me for pointing out the hypocracy of that?
I dont need to read anything you are using to justify your chocolate piston coments, i know what the situation is with these cars far better than the majority of people, which is why i can counter what you posted a reality check.
Maybe this has changed your opinion of me, i cant help the fact what you post isnt acurate and should be corrected. Hopefully it will make you think a bit more about the acuracy of the things you post, it doesnt all have to be boocks (i assume you meant bo
ocks) you know.LOL, Scoobie stop squirming.
You posted something inaccurate which you had read elsewhere without any critical analysis of the information. ie spreading misinformation (or opinionated bullsh1t if you prefer) and it's not the first time on this forum you've dished out 'advice' on something you obviously don't understand fully. For someone new to the brand, they may not know your 'chocolate pistons' comment was inaccurate and take it at face value and pass it on to their friends.
When you get pulled up for it you resort to insults and threats. Grow up.
You posted something inaccurate which you had read elsewhere without any critical analysis of the information. ie spreading misinformation (or opinionated bullsh1t if you prefer) and it's not the first time on this forum you've dished out 'advice' on something you obviously don't understand fully. For someone new to the brand, they may not know your 'chocolate pistons' comment was inaccurate and take it at face value and pass it on to their friends.
When you get pulled up for it you resort to insults and threats. Grow up.
Smifffy said:
No doubt the WR1 will be hugely capable.
It uses the later GD chassis which is quite a bit heavier than the GC chassis which the P1 was based on.
So what if it is heavier, the chassis strength weakens over time, 7 year old P1, or a 3 year old WR1, irespective of the weight the WR1 would be a more reliable car. It uses the later GD chassis which is quite a bit heavier than the GC chassis which the P1 was based on.
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