RE: PH Z4 Coupe Update
Tuesday 6th November 2007

PH Z4 Coupe Update

VXX meets its big brother, but does it get sand kicked in its face?


I have had my Z4C 3.0si since July and have covered 8,000 miles since then. Despite the relatively high miles I am not in the slightest bit bored of it, not even a little bit. How many cars do you look at out of the window when sitting in your living room? How many other cars of this price do people stare at in the street? How many other cars do you enjoy driving just for the sake of it? Not many that I have owned that's for sure.

OK, so let's not get carried away with the compliments, it has developed more creaks and rattles than I would have expected- lots more. It lacks storage for even the simplest daily items like your mobile, the nearside rear suspension makes a clunking noise- probably time for an unscheduled dealer visit and it has dared to consume a litre of oil. Oh and it was rubbish when I moved house recently meaning I had to steal the S-Max from Racing Pete for a weekend. All in all though, I still love it, and it stands up well to my less than subtle driving style.

Most people assume the Z4C only comes in M spec, comparing it to the old 'breadvan' M coupe. In fact, plenty of PHers spot that my car only has two exhausts sticking out the back and a 3.0si badge where the M usually sits. This is usually followed with much ribbing as to my prowess and ability. I reckon the 3.0si coupe is as pure a sports car as you would want- certainly I keep up with faster metal without too much effort- but to see what all the fuss is about I spent a week with a Z4MC.

IMHO isn't a phrase I used that much until I found PH, now I use it all the time, and all of what you are about to read is IMHO and my flameproof suit has been zipped up tight too.

For a week I had an additional 250cc, 78bhp and 50nm of torque at my disposable, I could reach 60mph 0.7 seconds faster, and had I bought this Z4MC I would be £8,620 worse off. That's a lot of money in my book.

Unfortunately, during my week I didn't have the opportunity to take the car to the track, so I had to base my thoughts on my mix of London commuting, weekend hooning and late night 'just because you feel like it' drives.

Firstly there's the noise. I love the sound of the 3.0 but this moves it on completely, it's just so aggressive and the engine is deliciously lumpy when cold giving it a race tuned feel. The clutch is much heavier than the 3.0 and the power delivery is more on/ off meaning you often travel faster than normal without realising. Braking is vastly superior and not something you notice until you jump in the 3.0 immediately after the M, but you'd be a bit of a numpty not to expect the M to have a better set up. The addition of the M differential means the traction light is seen less often when exiting tight bends or under hard acceleration when leaving a roundabout, despite the additional power available.

BUT- and here is the IMHO bit. I prefer the 3.0si.

Its a more enjoyable car day to day, the clutch and gearbox respond better whether you want a fast change or are stuck in traffic. The engine is almost as fast and unless you are a fantastic wheelman I'd wager that the average M driver is unlikely to shake off a 3.0si along a fast B road. The 3.0 engine has more character with pops on the overrun, a noise that's almost as good (almost) and its peak torque is achieved at 2750 rpm compared to the M at 4900rpm meaning it's a nicer car to point and squirt. It's also lighter, 100kg lighter in fact.

I await the comments from M owners saying I am jealous of the M, but I'm not. I can see why you would buy one and I will miss certain elements of the car, but the 3.0si just seems a purer proposition. You have to work that bit harder, but I think it's the better car and I have almost £9000 in my pocket to spend on trackdays and driver training.

IMHO.

HTH.

Spot the missing exhausts
Spot the missing exhausts
M has stronger brakes
M has stronger brakes
More aggressive front valance on M
More aggressive front valance on M
Small bonnet bulge for M
Small bonnet bulge for M
Where the extra money goes?
Where the extra money goes?
Carbon trim for M
Carbon trim for M
Much brighter in here
Much brighter in here
 

 

 

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roadie

Original Poster:

880 posts

292 months

Monday 5th November 2007
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100kg is quite a lot more to be lugging around! Isn't the M motor made from cast iron?

K Man S

175 posts

240 months

Monday 5th November 2007
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Jealous lol.

Road_Terrorist

5,591 posts

272 months

Monday 5th November 2007
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roadie said:
100kg is quite a lot more to be lugging around! Isn't the M motor made from cast iron?
I think just the block is, although the N54 in the 3.0si is all alloy and one of the lightest (if not the lightest) 6 around.

jezzaaa

1,951 posts

289 months

Monday 5th November 2007
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Hey Garlick - I can absolutely understand what you're saying. I had a 3.0si on loan for the day when mine went in for it's 1200 mile 'M' oil change. It is a quieter, smoother every day companion and less tiring to drive. However, the way the 'M' delivers the power and the extra noise it makes just makes me grin everytime. The 0-60 times don't really cover the extra boot in the back when you're at high motorway speeds and accelerate, or the way it pulls out of the corners. And of course, the price differential is huge if you compare list prices...but given the deals you can get on new Z4MCs or, even better, second hand six month old examples at just over £30,000...I think the M wins hands down. All, as you say, IMvHO. Glad you're enjoying it anyway mate!

J.

Edited by jezzaaa on Monday 5th November 17:40

kentmotorcompany

2,471 posts

240 months

Monday 5th November 2007
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Yes the new 3.0 engine is much newer than the 3.2 M engine. I guess this is where the weight saving is made???


All very interesting points.

I would take the £9k price difference with a pinch of salt though. If you were buying one now you be crazy not to buy one of the nearly new ones that are now going for between £31-£35k amazing value!

Personally I think for many of us, the longer you spend with a car, the more you grow to love it.

I would beg the qeustion: If the Garlic had driven a Z4MC for 8,000 miles and had a 3.0 for the weekend, woulh he have come to the same conclusion???

Garlick

40,601 posts

270 months

Monday 5th November 2007
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kentmotorcompany said:
I would beg the qeustion: If the Garlic had driven a Z4MC for 8,000 miles and had a 3.0 for the weekend, woulh he have come to the same conclusion???
I agree- it's hard with just a week behind the wheel to give a true opinion. But I enjoyed the comparison all the same. I also agree that you certainly get to know a car a little better over 8000 miles than you do in the 500 I put on the M!

G

Cheburator mk2

3,227 posts

229 months

Monday 5th November 2007
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I think it really depends on what you bought the car for...

- The 3.0Si is a fine steed, but it would not see which way its M sibling went around a track.

- The 3.0Si has a fine engine, but again it is being compared to the best 6-cylinder race engine BMW has ever built

Then again, the Si is easier to live with in mixed duties, more relaxing to cruise in and definitely cheaper in terms of running costs, insurance and warranty issues.

tomTVR

6,909 posts

271 months

Monday 5th November 2007
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article said:
The 3.0 engine has more character
confused

flattotheboards

6,689 posts

236 months

Monday 5th November 2007
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only on here would you get a comparison between these two cars clap

Nano2nd

3,426 posts

286 months

Monday 5th November 2007
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i just bought a Z4MC last week, i had to do some due diligence and also test drove a 3.0 sport. both are great cars, having drove them back to back the differences were very noticable as you say the brakes in particular... though the M is far more difficult to drive "normally" the throttle very sensitive and clutch is alot more switch like

i'm sure i would have been happy with the sport and it would certainly have been the most sensible choice for my 18k a year commute wink however the M just has that little something which makes it special... and as mentioned about there are some great deals to be had at the mo, add to that what will be (fingers crossed) better residuals i couldn't say no wink

Miguel

1,030 posts

295 months

Monday 5th November 2007
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tomTVR said:
article said:
The 3.0 engine has more character
confused
Well, without giving Garlick a hard time 'cause he's a cool dude, I think that the general rule of thumb is that whatever you own and bought with your own money has more character than the other. My Mazda MX5 has way more character than both Z4's. wink

Miguel

LathamJohnP

4,477 posts

314 months

Tuesday 6th November 2007
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flattotheboards said:
only on here would you get a comparison between these two cars clap
ISTR Evo compared the two, and put up the 3.0 for last years COTY as it was "better". I think they found the ride/handling balance of the M was less suitable for UK roads (and followed up with an article about a contributor's mods to his M to improve matters).

John

Jason_W

905 posts

237 months

Tuesday 6th November 2007
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I think the 3.0 is probably the more refined vehicle of the two but for my money, and what made it worth trading up from the 3.0 to the M was the 'inner yob' that the M has. Its just that bit more hard core, the engine noise being that much better and its good to have decent stoppers but at the end of the day they're both good cars so you can't go wrong.

E36GUY

5,907 posts

248 months

Tuesday 6th November 2007
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Garlick. You have officially lost it methinx

kentmotorcompany

2,471 posts

240 months

Tuesday 6th November 2007
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cliffie said:
Think the Z4 is a great car... IF YOUR'E A GIRL...

Highlights and a perm anyone?
With opinions like that, its no wonder you dont post much!wink

PK1970

25 posts

231 months

Tuesday 6th November 2007
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I've got a Z4 3.0 Coupe as a company car and I love it. I previously owned a couple of Z3M Coupes and engine aside the Z4 is a real leap forward. A really enjoyable drive. Agreed it's not an M engine, but it still makes a great noise and is very smooth all the way to the red line.


However, my Z4 has had less use over the last couple of months as I've acquired a new weekend toy that is far superior in every respect.....


A great combo IMHO!

Neomagic

386 posts

231 months

Wednesday 7th November 2007
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PK1970 said:
I've got a Z4 3.0 Coupe as a company car and I love it. I previously owned a couple of Z3M Coupes and engine aside the Z4 is a real leap forward. A really enjoyable drive. Agreed it's not an M engine, but it still makes a great noise and is very smooth all the way to the red line.


However, my Z4 has had less use over the last couple of months as I've acquired a new weekend toy that is far superior in every respect.....


A great combo IMHO!
I wish I was as rich as you. frown

PK1970

25 posts

231 months

Wednesday 7th November 2007
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It's all relative.... and I've found car finance to be a great enabler

christurneruk

1 posts

167 months

Sunday 18th November 2012
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hmmmmm.....ive been driving my 3.0si conv for 15months and had the centre exhaust replaced with a straight pipe to get a few extra pops and done the 'sound mod' to get some cabin noise and still like it but....
ive found a z4m and really want it but after reading this, is it worth it (i was assuming a definite yes)

thanks

Gizmoish

18,150 posts

239 months

Sunday 18th November 2012
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Great thread resurrection biggrin