Stupid PCN - What to do?
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I've just got a PCN - £120 for illegally stopping on a red route clearway. Apparently they have DVD evidence of my offense!
So I turn the page to look at a couple of stills from their "DVD Evidence" - and it's two pictures of me quite legally stopped in a loading bay...
I am loath to even spend the 5 minutes writing a letter, this can't be an automated system, so some proper t
t is just taking the piss. Or even if it is an automated system - then it's utter SHITE.
So I turn the page to look at a couple of stills from their "DVD Evidence" - and it's two pictures of me quite legally stopped in a loading bay...
I am loath to even spend the 5 minutes writing a letter, this can't be an automated system, so some proper t
t is just taking the piss. Or even if it is an automated system - then it's utter SHITE.BMWBen said:
I've just got a PCN - £120 for illegally stopping on a red route clearway. Apparently they have DVD evidence of my offense!
So I turn the page to look at a couple of stills from their "DVD Evidence" - and it's two pictures of me quite legally stopped in a loading bay...
I am loath to even spend the 5 minutes writing a letter, this can't be an automated system, so some proper t
t is just taking the piss. Or even if it is an automated system - then it's utter SHITE.
Where abouts was you stopped,how long,why etc.So I turn the page to look at a couple of stills from their "DVD Evidence" - and it's two pictures of me quite legally stopped in a loading bay...
I am loath to even spend the 5 minutes writing a letter, this can't be an automated system, so some proper t
t is just taking the piss. Or even if it is an automated system - then it's utter SHITE.BMWBen said:
Indeed - can you point me at the legislation the specifies exactly what "loading" is?
And what if my intention was to load, but I found I was unable to do so so did not *actually* do any loading?
Loading is putting anything in a vehicle.It could be a collection of smaller items or perhaps something big and heavy.And what if my intention was to load, but I found I was unable to do so so did not *actually* do any loading?
As for
BMWBen said:
And what if my intention was to load, but I found I was unable to do so so did not *actually* do any loading?
I dont think this is an excuseIt would be down to you to check and confirm that you were able to pick up the item first.Getting to the car and finding it would not fit etc would cover you.
How so? Where is it defined what constitutes loading?
I seem to remember that I had the items in a bag, which I placed on the passenger seat. You'd be hard pressed to argue that I didn't "load" the cards into the car based on the dictionary definition I think?
Load - "Something that is carried, as by a vehicle, person, or animal: a load of firewood."
From dictionary.com, but you get the gist! Anything I put in my car is a load, and therefore has been "loaded".
I seem to remember that I had the items in a bag, which I placed on the passenger seat. You'd be hard pressed to argue that I didn't "load" the cards into the car based on the dictionary definition I think?
Load - "Something that is carried, as by a vehicle, person, or animal: a load of firewood."
From dictionary.com, but you get the gist! Anything I put in my car is a load, and therefore has been "loaded".
Edited by BMWBen on Tuesday 6th November 21:55
Edited by BMWBen on Tuesday 6th November 21:56
If you've done your loading unloading then you've got to move straight on, you can't stay there for another 5 mins. They've got their video which will show how long you are there & what movement.
You do what you see fit, seems you've made your mind up.
You do what you see fit, seems you've made your mind up.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 6th November 21:57
BMWBen said:
How so? Where is it defined what constitutes loading?
I seem to remember that I had the items in a bag, which I placed on the passenger seat. You'd be hard pressed to argue that I didn't "load" the cards into the car based on the dictionary definition I think?
I cant be bothered to look it up on the net but i have seen guidelines that say it must not be used to go and buy fags use a cash machine etc.Yes you loaded but there was no need to take up a loading bay for a birthday card.Im more than happy to be proved wrong as im only going on what i have read in the past but i would say they have got you on this one.I seem to remember that I had the items in a bag, which I placed on the passenger seat. You'd be hard pressed to argue that I didn't "load" the cards into the car based on the dictionary definition I think?
vonhosen said:
If you've done your loading unloading then you've got to move straight on, you can't stay there for another 5 mins. They've got their video which will show how long you are there & what movement.
You do what you see fit, seems you've made your mind up.
I did move straight on. I parked, went into the shop, came out with a bag, got in the car and left (it was only a week ago). I was under the impression that that was a valid use of a loading bay!You do what you see fit, seems you've made your mind up.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 6th November 21:57
BMWBen said:
vonhosen said:
If you've done your loading unloading then you've got to move straight on, you can't stay there for another 5 mins. They've got their video which will show how long you are there & what movement.
You do what you see fit, seems you've made your mind up.
I did move straight on. I parked, went into the shop, came out with a bag, got in the car and left (it was only a week ago). I was under the impression that that was a valid use of a loading bay!You do what you see fit, seems you've made your mind up.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 6th November 21:57
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