What's the Limit?

[thebluebus]

A stretch of road that I regularly use has recently enjoyed a change of posted speed limit.

What was a 40 has now, part-way along, been reduced to a 30.

However, after the initial 30 limit sign, for the remainder of the road's length the 40mph repeaters remain in place.

What limit actually applies along this section?
Do repeaters take precendence over the change-of-limit signage?

[pmanson]

Kids changing the signs around?

[TripleS]

thebluebus said:

A stretch of road that I regularly use has recently enjoyed a change of posted speed limit.

What was a 40 has now, part-way along, been reduced to a 30.

However, after the initial 30 limit sign, for the remainder of the road's length the 40mph repeaters remain in place.

What limit actually applies along this section?
Do repeaters take precendence over the change-of-limit signage?

If the 40 repeaters have been left in place I expect it amounts to incorrect signing, and the 30 limit is not enforceable.

In fact, if there are no proper 40 limit signs at the start of the section, but merely 40 repeaters, is even a 40 limit enforceable? It might effectively be NSL after all.

I think I'd be inclined to stay under about 35, assuming that is safe and appropriate, until the matter is resolved.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[supermono]

Wasn't there a case recently where bogus signs meant that no limit could be applied? I think the maximum allowable speed on this bit of road right now is determined by the laws of physics not of the land

Enjoy

SM

[RDE]

Apply refuse sacks liberally to offending 30mph signs. Serve.

[Dwight VanDriver]

So you have

40 mph signs

40 repeaters

30 mph sign

no end of 30mph - i.e. 40 mph sign

40 repeaters

NSL end 40 limit.

Illegal.

rattle your LA to fetch into line.

dvd

[thebluebus]

Dwight VanDriver said:

So you have

40 mph signs

40 repeaters

30 mph sign

no end of 30mph - i.e. 40 mph sign

40 repeaters

NSL end 40 limit.

Illegal.

rattle your LA to fetch into line.

dvd

Absolutely spot-on summary DVD. Not aided by some Charlie who has this morning decided to add to whole sorry affair with some hand-rendered speed camera warning signs on lamp posts.

And a square yellow board just visible from the foliage of a roadside tree.

Pretend Gatso? Queue massive queue.

Balls.

[BertBert]

Dwight VanDriver said:

other stuff and
Illegal.

rattle your LA to fetch into line.

And why would we do that?
BErt

[flemke]

Dwight VanDriver said:

So you have

40 mph signs

40 repeaters

30 mph sign

no end of 30mph - i.e. 40 mph sign

40 repeaters

NSL end 40 limit.

Illegal.

rattle your LA to fetch into line.

dvd

The question then is, What is the operative speed limit when attempts to post the limit are outside the guidelines?

Also, is it not the case, generally, that the HA or LA is not absolutely required to adhere strictly to the "guidelines", and a magistrate, if so inclined, is free to allow departures from the guidelines when judging an alleged traffic offence?

[dan1981]

its 42.

[TripleS]

flemke said:

Dwight VanDriver said:

So you have

40 mph signs

40 repeaters

30 mph sign

no end of 30mph - i.e. 40 mph sign

40 repeaters

NSL end 40 limit.

Illegal.

rattle your LA to fetch into line.

dvd

The question then is, What is the operative speed limit when attempts to post the limit are outside the guidelines?

Also, is it not the case, generally, that the HA or LA is not absolutely required to adhere strictly to the "guidelines", and a magistrate, if so inclined, is free to allow departures from the guidelines when judging an alleged traffic offence?

But correct signing is a legal requirement is it not, if prosecutions are to be based successfully on it? It doesn't sound right to me that this should merely be a matter of guidelines that may or may not be complied with.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[hairydave-hd vti]

if the posted limit is illegal, would it then not be down to lamp posts etc? or at most nsl?

[hemibum]

Why not? It is only a " Guide " after all. Since a "Code of Practice" which is allegedlly a statement of actually "practising" the requirements of upholding the law can be totally usurped by certain Chief Constables, then, what of your guidlines?

[Red Devil]

flemke said:

The question then is, What is the operative speed limit when attempts to post the limit are outside the guidelines?

NSL and they're not guidelines - see below.

flemke said:

Also, is it not the case, generally, that the HA or LA is not absolutely required to adhere strictly to the "guidelines", and a magistrate, if so inclined, is free to allow departures from the guidelines when judging an alleged traffic offence?

As far as signage is concerned the answer is no. The governing legislation is
Statutory Instrument 2002 No. 3113
The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002

Chapter and verse for the ordinary motorist here
http://www.abd.org.uk/speed_limit_signs.htm#action

The HA/LA have no discretion.
Neither do the magistrates - as proven in the High Court.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/619701...

Edited by Red Devil on Friday 9th November 02:06

[streaky]

dan1981 said:

its 42.

I'll just get out the Scrabble tiles - Streaky

[suterman]

I see signs that say 30 MAX in 40 zones, like you may have found in the past leading up to a nasty bend, but more nowadays on sections of A roads that maybe 10 - 15 years ago would have been 60 limit and have a few junctions or drives about.

[Kinky]

thebluebus said:

And a square yellow board just visible from the foliage of a roadside tree.

Pretend Gatso? Queue massive queue.

Balls.

You don't think by any remote chance that the 30 sign is a 'bogus' one - perhaps related in some way to the same person who has done the above?

K

[thebluebus]

Kinky said:

thebluebus said:

And a square yellow board just visible from the foliage of a roadside tree.

Pretend Gatso? Queue massive queue.

Balls.

You don't think by any remote chance that the 30 sign is a 'bogus' one - perhaps related in some way to the same person who has done the above?

K

Nope, the 30 is definitely real - there are all kinds of "New Limit" warning signs preceeding it now.