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Looks like the spying saga is set to continue for a while yet:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
BazC said:
Looks like the spying saga is set to continue for a while yet:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
"Now, Flav, how much did you say you were thinking of paying us in compensation for your signing Ferdy?"http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula...
I don't get this at all, surely thats what F1 is all about. People move from team to team and the teams buy not only the staff but also their exeperience and knowledge of their competitors. Perhaps having complete plans of the other cars is going beyond whats acceptable, but surely this has always happened. I know when I hire a salesman from a competitor I'd expect them to bring their list of contacts and leads with them.
$100m - That's over $600 for every Renault sold in the UK last year! Bearing in mind the speed of the Renault this year, I think they were rolled over with duff info 
. Oh yes, I remember, FA took the 0.6 secs with him 
Surley the precedent, if found guilty of course, is for a huge fine. I'm quite sure that if that is the case, Briatore will have his cards, and Renault will be off. They have other things to do, unlike McLaren. I wonder if the FIA will take all that in consideration when finding them not guilty?
Interesting sub note, my calculator doesn't have enough digits to go to $100,000,000!
. Oh yes, I remember, FA took the 0.6 secs with him Surley the precedent, if found guilty of course, is for a huge fine. I'm quite sure that if that is the case, Briatore will have his cards, and Renault will be off. They have other things to do, unlike McLaren. I wonder if the FIA will take all that in consideration when finding them not guilty?
Interesting sub note, my calculator doesn't have enough digits to go to $100,000,000!
Sniff Petrol said:
F1 SPYING SCANDAL DEEPENS AND WORSENS AND THEN DEEPENS A BIT MORE AGAIN
Sniff, Thursday, November 8th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
There was almost no shock whatsoever in Formula 1 this week with news that the FIA is to investigate Renault for spying. According to a man who was speaking next to the FIA building, ‘Following a tip off from an anonymous source in the Modena region of Italy we are looking in to claims that Renault Formula 1 have contravened the rules of the sport and may be docked points both for utilising illegally acquired data and for competing in a car that wasn’t red’. The speakersman refused to give any more details has he had to rush off ‘to give Jean Todt a back massage’.
However, some F1 insiders have already hinted that Renault may not be the last team to become embroiled in an embarrassing and ultimately costly McLaren-style scandal. High ranking sources are suggesting that it is only a matter of days until every other F1 team is called up on spying charges, except Ferrari who have of course never cheated at anything. Already, in the special paddock that all teams assemble in during the off season to allow sentences like this rumours are circulating that Williams may have been using data from BMW, that BMW may have been using data from Toyota, that Toyota may have been using data from Torro Rosso, that Torro Rosso may have been using data from Super Aguri, that Super Aguri may have been using data from Spyker, that Spyker may have been using data from Red Bull, that Red Bull may have been using data from Honda and that Honda may have been using data from the 1991 Leyton House team, but upside down so that none of it worked properly.
If these rumours are proved to be true the FIA may be forced to minimise the damage to F1 by bring this whole affair to a sharp and definite conclusion, a view shared by one senior junior. ‘One way of doing this would be simply to say that all teams are forbidden from scoring points until 2025, except Ferrari’ he admitted. ‘Frankly, it would be a lot more straightforward than the original way they were going to use to get that rule introduced’.
Sniff, Thursday, November 8th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
There was almost no shock whatsoever in Formula 1 this week with news that the FIA is to investigate Renault for spying. According to a man who was speaking next to the FIA building, ‘Following a tip off from an anonymous source in the Modena region of Italy we are looking in to claims that Renault Formula 1 have contravened the rules of the sport and may be docked points both for utilising illegally acquired data and for competing in a car that wasn’t red’. The speakersman refused to give any more details has he had to rush off ‘to give Jean Todt a back massage’.
However, some F1 insiders have already hinted that Renault may not be the last team to become embroiled in an embarrassing and ultimately costly McLaren-style scandal. High ranking sources are suggesting that it is only a matter of days until every other F1 team is called up on spying charges, except Ferrari who have of course never cheated at anything. Already, in the special paddock that all teams assemble in during the off season to allow sentences like this rumours are circulating that Williams may have been using data from BMW, that BMW may have been using data from Toyota, that Toyota may have been using data from Torro Rosso, that Torro Rosso may have been using data from Super Aguri, that Super Aguri may have been using data from Spyker, that Spyker may have been using data from Red Bull, that Red Bull may have been using data from Honda and that Honda may have been using data from the 1991 Leyton House team, but upside down so that none of it worked properly.
If these rumours are proved to be true the FIA may be forced to minimise the damage to F1 by bring this whole affair to a sharp and definite conclusion, a view shared by one senior junior. ‘One way of doing this would be simply to say that all teams are forbidden from scoring points until 2025, except Ferrari’ he admitted. ‘Frankly, it would be a lot more straightforward than the original way they were going to use to get that rule introduced’.
Brilliant article - although I have to say, some of the comments quoted had already crossed my mind, especially about who Honda might have been borrowing their data from. To be honest, they could have done with some of the 1991 Leyton House March data cos' I think that was early Adrian Newey work.
I reckon they actually had data from Ben Hur's technical team - and still got it wrong.
I reckon they actually had data from Ben Hur's technical team - and still got it wrong.
I wonder if Max Mosley will treat Flavio in the same manner he treated Ron Dennis, don't think so.
Also, If McLaren are found to be using Ferrari data in their 2008 car, will Renault carry the can along with McLaren, there using some of the data after all.
Maybe, if all the manufacturers are shown to be using a new idea created by a single team, they will all be thrown out of the F1 championship in 2008.
I'm sure Max and Bernie could fill in, maybe racing each other on pit bikes or something?
Also, If McLaren are found to be using Ferrari data in their 2008 car, will Renault carry the can along with McLaren, there using some of the data after all.
Maybe, if all the manufacturers are shown to be using a new idea created by a single team, they will all be thrown out of the F1 championship in 2008.
I'm sure Max and Bernie could fill in, maybe racing each other on pit bikes or something?
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