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Big Rod

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6,265 posts

247 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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Don't get me wrong, It's deplorable the lassie was killed and sickening that the person who killed her while inebriated out of his tiny mind is now walking free, but can someone tell me how Brake can justify using this case to promote 'speed awareness'?

Have they even considered educating children properly on road use?

http://www.dunfermlinepress.com/article.php?sec=1&...

esselte

14,626 posts

298 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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Yep a 20mph limit would certainly have stopped the 4x the limit drunk from doing this...rolleyes

r5gttgaz

7,897 posts

251 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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Do they have a discussion forum? Thats the first time I've been on that site, I was going through a village near me in the 911 doing about 25mph early morning when the school run was out and had some bint in a BRAKE hi-viz vest jump out in front of me going off on one, looked back and there was a whole rake of them pushing the kids with these vests on.

I have no words for that site. Is it possible that they are some of the reason people choose to not go above 40mph? In case a 3 year old kid wonders out on the M1?

Can we start a registered charity called Throttle/Accelerate?

Edited by r5gttgaz on Friday 9th November 10:54

Big Rod

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247 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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r5gttgaz said:
Do they have a discussion forum?
Dunno about that, but I'm in the process of tyoping an eMail to the Editor.

You local then R5? Just wondering as you said that was the first time you'd been on that site. Figured you wouldn't have reason to unless you're local.

Edited by Big Rod on Friday 9th November 11:03

r5gttgaz

7,897 posts

251 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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No not local, it was this thread that made me google for BRAKE.

When I saw BRAKE on the womans hi-viz I thought it meant SLOW DOWN! redface

Big Rod

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247 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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Ah! I see.

I don't remember ever being able to find a discussion forum on that site myself, but I might be mistaken.

Ranger 6

7,732 posts

280 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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r5gttgaz said:
...Can we start a registered charity called Throttle/Accelerate?
Isn't it easier just to throttle all concerned....wink

esselte

14,626 posts

298 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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Big Rod said:
Ah! I see.

I don't remember ever being able to find a discussion forum on that site myself, but I might be mistaken.
They don't want discussion,just want everyone to do as they say.....

Fer

7,779 posts

311 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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Ranger 6 said:
r5gttgaz said:
...Can we start a registered charity called Throttle/Accelerate?
Isn't it easier just to throttle all concerned....wink
Easy, loose lips, n all that...

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

265 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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Thats disgusting. Talk about a basic failure to understand road safety...

Peter Ward

2,097 posts

287 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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This is just typical of Brake quoted in the paper....
Brake said:
A Brake survey of more than 1400 Scottish children showed 44 per cent had been hit or nearly hit by a vehicle while walking, 49 per cent believed the roads around their school are dangerous and 51 per cent were in fear of being knocked down.
It's the same approach as the survey last week that proved that global warming is happening because 75% of people believe it is (or some such figure).

Just because 51% of children are in fear of being knocked down by a car doesn't mean that they are. Just because 49% of children believe that roads around their school are dangerous doesn't mean that they are. These are children we're talking about, and they don't know. It's not their fault: they don't drive -- how would they know? They're children: how would they know they're being manipulated and used?

But it's much easier to govern by survey and focus group than to marshall hard facts that disprove popular opinion and so do what's right rather than what's popular.

mechsympathy

58,886 posts

286 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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Peter Ward said:
Just because 49% of children believe that roads around their school are dangerous doesn't mean that they are.
Just what do the other 51% believe? That they're safe??

TripleS

4,294 posts

273 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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Children are probably being encouraged to believe that they are at risk, which is a particularly objectionable use of the emotive angle.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

Andy Zarse

10,870 posts

278 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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Peter Ward said:
This is just typical of Brake quoted in the paper....
Brake said:
A Brake survey of more than 1400 Scottish children showed 44 per cent had been hit or nearly hit by a vehicle while walking, 49 per cent believed the roads around their school are dangerous and 51 per cent were in fear of being knocked down.
I would have thought BRAKE's time would have been better spent teaching the kids that ALL 100% of roads are extremely dangerous places to be and that they are NOT playing fields, which is what many children seem to think they are.

If 44% of kids have nearly been hit (whatever that means in a scientific context I have no idea!), then it's probably because they have appalling road sense. Again educating pedestrians has been sacrificed on the altar of speed limits.

Ranger 6

7,732 posts

280 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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Fer said:
Easy, loose lips, n all that...

Hooli

32,278 posts

231 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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mechsympathy said:
Peter Ward said:
Just because 49% of children believe that roads around their school are dangerous doesn't mean that they are.
Just what do the other 51% believe? That they're safe??
the other 51% probably have parents who tell them to walk on the PAVEMENT!

cliffe_mafia

1,740 posts

269 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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Our local free paper ran this on the front cover this week so it could be national?
To sum up (I can't be arsed finding and linking to the thread about it) the article is quoting a father who's drunken (3 times the limit) 15 year old daughter was killed crossing a road at 1130pm by a lad driving at 57 in a 30. He and Brake are calling for 20 limits in residential areas. The headline reads: "Slow down for the sake of Natalie" or some other such emotional gush.
The council (NB not ScamPrats) paid for a speed camera to be placed at the spot and even though it points the opposite way to the direction the lunatic was travelling, I'm sure it does a good job rolleyes

Brake are running a national helpline too so you can nominate a road near you.

Fer

7,779 posts

311 months

Friday 9th November 2007
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We have the same thing around my way. Some guy in a diabetic coma managed to come off the M4, negotiate 3 roundabouts, and then overtake several cars on a single carriage way road, thinking he was still on the motorway. It killed some poor sod, in the head on collision, but we now have a camera to save us from this ever happening again.

Big Rod

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Friday 9th November 2007
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Fer said:
We have the same thing around my way. Some guy in a diabetic coma managed to come off the M4, negotiate 3 roundabouts, and then overtake several cars on a single carriage way road, thinking he was still on the motorway. It killed some poor sod, in the head on collision, but we now have a camera to save us from this ever happening again.
clap

That is just brilliant!!!

Just how stupid do the 'authorities' think we are? And how long, (if ever!), do you think it'll take them to admit that they're barking up the wrong tree!?!?!?!?

aw51 121565

4,773 posts

264 months

Saturday 10th November 2007
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cliffe_mafia said:
Our local free paper ran this on the front cover this week so it could be national?
To sum up (I can't be arsed finding and linking to the thread about it) the article is quoting a father who's drunken (3 times the limit) 15 year old daughter was killed crossing a road at 1130pm by a lad driving at 57 in a 30. He and Brake are calling for 20 limits in residential areas. The headline reads: "Slow down for the sake of Natalie" or some other such emotional gush.
The council (NB not ScamPrats) paid for a speed camera to be placed at the spot and even though it points the opposite way to the direction the lunatic was travelling, I'm sure it does a good job rolleyes

Brake are running a national helpline too so you can nominate a road near you.
Um, you've spelt her name wrong. They spell it 'Natalee' nowadays. I spotted this in the Bury Times (can't find a link) this week.

The girl wasn't crossing the road, nor was she 3 times the legal limit. She was 'larking about' and ran out into the road then darted back, with a blood alcohol level around 1.5 times the legal drink live limit after drinking Vodka. She was 15 years old and this happened at 10:45PM on a friday night, as you say. Don't take my comments the wrong way smile - it boils my urine too.

Had she not stepped out, we wouldn't be typing this now smile . For the parents to blame this death on speed, when in my opinion the issues responsible lie closer to home, is monstrous.

Incidentally, from online council minutes Bury Council paid £50k towards this particular camera (ie the housing) as agreed by councillors at the Radcliffe Area Board. At another meeting of this board, a councillor said that a digital camera was being installed so that traffic speeds both ways could be momitored... They're not the brightest lamps in the street, some of these councillors wink .

This isn't meant as a personal attack, though it possibly reads that way smile . These sorts of people ('victims' of speed), this sort of campaign, drives me potty too.