scrote tries to fool gatso
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fido

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18,922 posts

286 months

Wednesday 14th November 2007
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Just coming back on the A240 (Kingston Road towards Epsom) and as i was approaching the first Gatso (past Tolworth roundabout) at a leisurely pace (40mph limit). I notice a car speeding up behind me in the fast lane, though i half-expected him to brake sharply for the camera. Except he doesn't. In fact he goes flying past me (at i'm guessing a good 15-20mph faster) and cuts across the front of me in the inside lane just as the Gatso double-flashes. I have no doubt in my mind the chav scrote deliberately did this, and i'm now wondering whether i should have purposely blocked his progress - though i imagine the traffic police will take a dim view of this type of action.

Fecking hate this stretch of road - full of retarded chav scrotes in their shitty corsas & peugeot 106s - and not ONE police car in sight - ever.

will the scamera operator notice the chav scrote? will an NIP be sent my way? .. i'm dreading this as i'm already on 3 points and will definitely contest this.

R_U_LOCAL

2,708 posts

239 months

Wednesday 14th November 2007
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If it was a Gatso, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about, as the other car should be clearly visible, and your speed can be checked against the markings on the road.

H_Kan

4,942 posts

230 months

Wednesday 14th November 2007
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If you managed to get his plate and get a NIP then contest it and give them his plate. Telling them you were annoyed when this happened and bothered to get the plate should mean your story has more weight as well- plus he might get done for it.

jondude

2,441 posts

248 months

Wednesday 14th November 2007
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It is quite easy to prove mathematically your speed, so don't worry.

It is also highly unlikely this game paid off....but if they were false plates or the driver is not middle class and paying taxes, he/she has little to worry about.

Of course, the lack of serious policing and slaps on wrists for proper criminals has led to such an aura of stupidity.

supermono

7,464 posts

279 months

Wednesday 14th November 2007
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If I was running the speed camera business behind this device I'd send you both a NIP and hope you'll both pay up, obviously if you can prove your innocence (which I'd make difficult for you by threatening court action and larger fines if you ask for the "evidence" ) I'd have to "let you off" via that annoying "not having broken the speed limit" loophole and give up on the 60 quid.

SM

Edited by supermono on Wednesday 14th November 07:50


Edited by supermono on Wednesday 14th November 07:50

JustinP1

13,364 posts

261 months

Wednesday 14th November 2007
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jondude said:
It is quite easy to prove mathematically your speed, so don't worry.

It is also highly unlikely this game paid off....but if they were false plates or the driver is not middle class and paying taxes, he/she has little to worry about.

Of course, the lack of serious policing and slaps on wrists for proper criminals has led to such an aura of stupidity.
I agree with that.

You won't hear anything as long as you were under the limit. What they do is work out the distance travelled between the two flashes, so that can work out an independant speed of you and the other driver.

s2art

18,942 posts

284 months

Wednesday 14th November 2007
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JustinP1 said:
jondude said:
It is quite easy to prove mathematically your speed, so don't worry.

It is also highly unlikely this game paid off....but if they were false plates or the driver is not middle class and paying taxes, he/she has little to worry about.

Of course, the lack of serious policing and slaps on wrists for proper criminals has led to such an aura of stupidity.
I agree with that.

You won't hear anything as long as you were under the limit. What they do is work out the distance travelled between the two flashes, so that can work out an independant speed of you and the other driver.
Assuming the timer on the gatso is accurate.

supermono

7,464 posts

279 months

Wednesday 14th November 2007
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s2art said:
JustinP1 said:
jondude said:
It is quite easy to prove mathematically your speed, so don't worry.

It is also highly unlikely this game paid off....but if they were false plates or the driver is not middle class and paying taxes, he/she has little to worry about.

Of course, the lack of serious policing and slaps on wrists for proper criminals has led to such an aura of stupidity.
I agree with that.

You won't hear anything as long as you were under the limit. What they do is work out the distance travelled between the two flashes, so that can work out an independant speed of you and the other driver.
Assuming the timer on the gatso is accurate.
I honestly don't see why on earth they'd expend labour ££££s to possibly reduce their profit on the case. These people are not stupid!

SM

s2art

18,942 posts

284 months

Wednesday 14th November 2007
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supermono said:
s2art said:
JustinP1 said:
jondude said:
It is quite easy to prove mathematically your speed, so don't worry.

It is also highly unlikely this game paid off....but if they were false plates or the driver is not middle class and paying taxes, he/she has little to worry about.

Of course, the lack of serious policing and slaps on wrists for proper criminals has led to such an aura of stupidity.
I agree with that.

You won't hear anything as long as you were under the limit. What they do is work out the distance travelled between the two flashes, so that can work out an independant speed of you and the other driver.
Assuming the timer on the gatso is accurate.
I honestly don't see why on earth they'd expend labour ££££s to possibly reduce their profit on the case. These people are not stupid!

SM
The point I am making is that its not an 'independant' speed that is calculated. There is no way of working out the speed independantly. If the timer is a bit slow then the calculation of the speed will be overestimated. Its in the interests of the operators to not bother testing for drift if the likelyhood is that it drifts toward a longer period between flashes.

SplatSpeed

7,491 posts

282 months

Wednesday 14th November 2007
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JustinP1 said:
jondude said:
It is quite easy to prove mathematically your speed, so don't worry.

It is also highly unlikely this game paid off....but if they were false plates or the driver is not middle class and paying taxes, he/she has little to worry about.

Of course, the lack of serious policing and slaps on wrists for proper criminals has led to such an aura of stupidity.
I agree with that.

You won't hear anything as long as you were under the limit. What they do is work out the distance travelled between the two flashes, so that can work out an independant speed of you and the other driver.
you forgot the word supposed

stara

137 posts

232 months

Wednesday 14th November 2007
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s2art said:
supermono said:
s2art said:
JustinP1 said:
jondude said:
It is quite easy to prove mathematically your speed, so don't worry.

It is also highly unlikely this game paid off....but if they were false plates or the driver is not middle class and paying taxes, he/she has little to worry about.

Of course, the lack of serious policing and slaps on wrists for proper criminals has led to such an aura of stupidity.
I agree with that.

You won't hear anything as long as you were under the limit. What they do is work out the distance travelled between the two flashes, so that can work out an independant speed of you and the other driver.
Assuming the timer on the gatso is accurate.
I honestly don't see why on earth they'd expend labour ££££s to possibly reduce their profit on the case. These people are not stupid!

SM
The point I am making is that its not an 'independant' speed that is calculated. There is no way of working out the speed independantly. If the timer is a bit slow then the calculation of the speed will be overestimated. Its in the interests of the operators to not bother testing for drift if the likelyhood is that it drifts toward a longer period between flashes.
why do assume that the timer for 'two flashes' may be a bit slow, it is part of the camera system, and is as precisely metered as the speed detection system, the reason the markers are there is in this case to distuinguish who was actually speeding, and will clearly show which car is further ahead on the second flash. don't worry about it.

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

265 months

Thursday 15th November 2007
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stara said:
why do assume that the timer for 'two flashes' may be a bit slow, it is part of the camera system, and is as precisely metered as the speed detection system, the reason the markers are there is in this case to distuinguish who was actually speeding, and will clearly show which car is further ahead on the second flash. don't worry about it.
Why do you assume that the two flashes are precisely metered? I've never seen or heard of independent verification of this.

In fact, AFAIK, they're calibrated annually - and they don't use atomic clocks IIRC.