Am I expecting too much?
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Hi all,
Moved into our house in an area totally new to us about 5 months ago. When we moved in our eldery neighbours mentioned that they'd had lots of problems with vandalism and graffiti in the garage block which services our houses.
We have had no issue until this week... on Monday night I went to put the bins out and noticed three lads hanging out in the middle of the garages. I then helped our eldery neighbours put the bins out (they'd put the wrong ones out and she mentioned she was a bit uncomfortable about the lads hanging out there). I went out after by dinner to see if they were still there and they'd been joined by a car which had parked on "private property" (eg. the driveway part of one of the garages). I asked them if they would kindly move on as they were worrying our elderly neighbours. I was met with the usual replies "where are we supposed to go", "we only live around the corner", "faggot" (new one to me), "tosser" etc etc. Eventually they reluctantly got in the car and drove off only just out of the entrance to the garage to fire what I assume was a cap gun at me.
I got the number of the bobby who is looking after the area from my neighbour (dedicated bobby due to the previous problems), I got no answer from his mobile but left a message on his landline.
Anyway... we've just got back from the pub and parked my car on our parking space infront of the garage. There are two cars parked up that shouldn't be there... one is the same car from the other night and another vehicle. They are reverse parked by individual garages (eg on private property) and not the cars used by our neighbours. We are normally the only two cars that park in the block.
I've just rung the police to try and speak to the local Bobby but he is on earlys this week. I explained the situation eg, they have no reason to be there (it's not a cut through), what happened on monday night and asked if they would send a car round to have a look. The woman on the other end of the phone said they wouldn't as the number plate of the car she ran was for a car "very" local to the scene and that as they weren't parked on my property I couldn't make a complaint so they wouldn't send a car round.
I just replied saying that I wanted it noted what had happened this week in case any damage did occur to either the cars (my fiancee parks her's next to mine on our neighbours drive) or any criminal damage to the garages which she did. She's also going to get the local bobby to give me a call tommorrow.
Am I expecting too much to have a car sent around? I wasn't asking for a blue's 'n' two's run but for a local car just to pop by a see why they were parked up there.
I'm now paranoid that i'm going to go out to damage to my car or the garage in the morning (both our car's are cheap but I still take a lot of pride in them).
This not a BIB bashing thread but is this what normally happens? I got the impression that if i'd seen them doing damage they would send a car over ASAP but as they'd hadn't they wouldn't. Not exactly proactive! It's not often I reason to ring the police and was just surprised that she didn't say we'll get a car to pop by and have a look when it's next in the area.
I'm off to bed.
Phill
Moved into our house in an area totally new to us about 5 months ago. When we moved in our eldery neighbours mentioned that they'd had lots of problems with vandalism and graffiti in the garage block which services our houses.
We have had no issue until this week... on Monday night I went to put the bins out and noticed three lads hanging out in the middle of the garages. I then helped our eldery neighbours put the bins out (they'd put the wrong ones out and she mentioned she was a bit uncomfortable about the lads hanging out there). I went out after by dinner to see if they were still there and they'd been joined by a car which had parked on "private property" (eg. the driveway part of one of the garages). I asked them if they would kindly move on as they were worrying our elderly neighbours. I was met with the usual replies "where are we supposed to go", "we only live around the corner", "faggot" (new one to me), "tosser" etc etc. Eventually they reluctantly got in the car and drove off only just out of the entrance to the garage to fire what I assume was a cap gun at me.
I got the number of the bobby who is looking after the area from my neighbour (dedicated bobby due to the previous problems), I got no answer from his mobile but left a message on his landline.
Anyway... we've just got back from the pub and parked my car on our parking space infront of the garage. There are two cars parked up that shouldn't be there... one is the same car from the other night and another vehicle. They are reverse parked by individual garages (eg on private property) and not the cars used by our neighbours. We are normally the only two cars that park in the block.
I've just rung the police to try and speak to the local Bobby but he is on earlys this week. I explained the situation eg, they have no reason to be there (it's not a cut through), what happened on monday night and asked if they would send a car round to have a look. The woman on the other end of the phone said they wouldn't as the number plate of the car she ran was for a car "very" local to the scene and that as they weren't parked on my property I couldn't make a complaint so they wouldn't send a car round.
I just replied saying that I wanted it noted what had happened this week in case any damage did occur to either the cars (my fiancee parks her's next to mine on our neighbours drive) or any criminal damage to the garages which she did. She's also going to get the local bobby to give me a call tommorrow.
Am I expecting too much to have a car sent around? I wasn't asking for a blue's 'n' two's run but for a local car just to pop by a see why they were parked up there.
I'm now paranoid that i'm going to go out to damage to my car or the garage in the morning (both our car's are cheap but I still take a lot of pride in them).
This not a BIB bashing thread but is this what normally happens? I got the impression that if i'd seen them doing damage they would send a car over ASAP but as they'd hadn't they wouldn't. Not exactly proactive! It's not often I reason to ring the police and was just surprised that she didn't say we'll get a car to pop by and have a look when it's next in the area.
I'm off to bed.
Phill
You are not expecting too much. However, this will have to be dealt with by a reactive unit if you want a car round now. There are not enough reactive units generally to deal with the number of immediate and urgent jobs flooding the system. This kind of call will be low grade priority because no ones life is in danger and there is no reported crime in progress. It will be graded as a local resolution by neighbourhood officer. As that officer is not currently on duty, then it will be flagged for him/her to speak to you about the problems when he/she is next available and it is convenient for you to meet them. You will probably be told about NAG meetings where you can air your thoughts about these issues and encourage your elderly neighbours to attend and back up your concerns.
That, I am afraid is the way things happen because there are just not enough uniformed officers to go around.
A reactive shift officer just happening to be in the area and available to call around is as likely as finding some rocking horse poo!
Too busy dealing with cannabis cautions and domestic arguments to bump up the detection figures I am sorry to say.
That, I am afraid is the way things happen because there are just not enough uniformed officers to go around.
A reactive shift officer just happening to be in the area and available to call around is as likely as finding some rocking horse poo!
Too busy dealing with cannabis cautions and domestic arguments to bump up the detection figures I am sorry to say.
Normally what happens if there are no dedicated (neighbourhood) officers on, a response car would be sent down if there are any free.
We quite often go to jobs like that (I'm response) if we're not committed, however if there are no offences being committed then a word of advice asking them to move on is had. Details taken, they get checked out on PNC and if all's in order we leave having given advice.
Normally what happens is they leave. If they're up to no good then they will move on as they know we've seen them and now know who they are etc.
I'm sure if there was a unit free it would be sent. They'll more than likely know who these guys are and wouldn't mind turning them over.
We quite often go to jobs like that (I'm response) if we're not committed, however if there are no offences being committed then a word of advice asking them to move on is had. Details taken, they get checked out on PNC and if all's in order we leave having given advice.
Normally what happens is they leave. If they're up to no good then they will move on as they know we've seen them and now know who they are etc.
I'm sure if there was a unit free it would be sent. They'll more than likely know who these guys are and wouldn't mind turning them over.
I see why you were suggesting I looked at moving to LB when relocating mate 
Sorry to hear of the probs Phil. The chav scum probably aren't used to anyone reasoning with them and you may find its enough that they would rather inhabit another parking area in future.
As an aside, hopefully moving by end of the month so hoping to be sorted by new year. You are both welcome up for a beer/fruit based drink for the lady at any point.
Sorry to hear of the probs Phil. The chav scum probably aren't used to anyone reasoning with them and you may find its enough that they would rather inhabit another parking area in future.
As an aside, hopefully moving by end of the month so hoping to be sorted by new year. You are both welcome up for a beer/fruit based drink for the lady at any point.
Edited by Shnozz on Thursday 15th November 08:40
Shnozz said:
I see why you were suggesting I looked at moving to LB when relocating mate
Sorry to hear of the probs Phil. The chav scum probably aren't used to anyone reasoning with them and you may find its enough that they would rather inhabit another parking area in future.
As an aside, hopefully moving by end of the month so hoping to be sorted by new year. You are both welcome up for a beer/fruit based drink for the lady at any point.
Yeah fingers crossed. I can understand why it's not a priority etc but it's a bit frustrating! I'm just worried they'll be damage to the cars and also don't want our eldery neighbours to feel worried.Sorry to hear of the probs Phil. The chav scum probably aren't used to anyone reasoning with them and you may find its enough that they would rather inhabit another parking area in future.
As an aside, hopefully moving by end of the month so hoping to be sorted by new year. You are both welcome up for a beer/fruit based drink for the lady at any point.
Edited by Shnozz on Thursday 15th November 08:40
I have a feeling that as the car involved is so local (probably just round the corner) that they're using our garage block to hide from their parents while they have a crafty smoke/chat.
The reason for you moving to LB was exactly this... Anytime there was any trouble we could get you out of a cupboard like Lurch in the Adams family and you could scare them off!
O/T Beer sounds good! Our Wii should be arriving today so if you fancy bowling while under the influence let me know.
Mg6b said:
You are not expecting too much. However, this will have to be dealt with by a reactive unit if you want a car round now. There are not enough reactive units generally to deal with the number of immediate and urgent jobs flooding the system. This kind of call will be low grade priority because no ones life is in danger and there is no reported crime in progress. It will be graded as a local resolution by neighbourhood officer. As that officer is not currently on duty, then it will be flagged for him/her to speak to you about the problems when he/she is next available and it is convenient for you to meet them. You will probably be told about NAG meetings where you can air your thoughts about these issues and encourage your elderly neighbours to attend and back up your concerns.
That, I am afraid is the way things happen because there are just not enough uniformed officers to go around.
A reactive shift officer just happening to be in the area and available to call around is as likely as finding some rocking horse poo!
Too busy dealing with cannabis cautions and domestic arguments to bump up the detection figures I am sorry to say.
Yep the police spend their time dealing with the same timewasting losers day in day out who should be in prison but are not so when they find their detection rate is a bit pants due to all their time being wasted they will park up near a road and pick up a couple of no seatbelt or mobile phone offences.That, I am afraid is the way things happen because there are just not enough uniformed officers to go around.
A reactive shift officer just happening to be in the area and available to call around is as likely as finding some rocking horse poo!
Too busy dealing with cannabis cautions and domestic arguments to bump up the detection figures I am sorry to say.
I don't disagree with stopping mobile users or seatbelt non wearers but I don't see that as more important that dealing with an incident such as the OP's
Crime prevention is actually a good way to get crime figures down which the police seem to have forgot.
They have adopted a policy where a crime has to happen before it is 'detectable' so in a magnificent irony the more crimes that are commited the more chance they have of picking up 'detected' crimes to add to their 'solved' figures that make it look as if they are having an impact.
In the meantime people don't bother reporting crimes anymore because they don't feel the effort was worthwhile and we all go to hell on a handcart with a police service that is a total shit farsical copy of what it used to be when I was younger. The only thing that has risen as fast as the crime numbers is the arrogance of officers once meant to be public servants who now view all the public not as a population to be protected but as a potential 'detected' crime to add to their figures. There is absolutely no moral differentiation going on between career criminals and Joe public making honest mistakes.
sucks doesn't it?
I'm afraid that whilst morally you are not expecting too much, practically speaking, you are.
I have sat on the phone to the police before now for 10 minutes waiting for them to turn up to a car which was parked in a parking area, with a hose in the petrol cap, with a bit of petrol spilling on the floor, and a bunch of scrotes with ciggies mooching around the place. After 10 mins arguing with plod about why I thought that a car exploding would be a bad thing (it was after all parked next to my mum's car) I gave up waiting for them and drove over, the scrotes left.
I have sat on the phone to the police before now for 10 minutes waiting for them to turn up to a car which was parked in a parking area, with a hose in the petrol cap, with a bit of petrol spilling on the floor, and a bunch of scrotes with ciggies mooching around the place. After 10 mins arguing with plod about why I thought that a car exploding would be a bad thing (it was after all parked next to my mum's car) I gave up waiting for them and drove over, the scrotes left.
This sucks!!!!
I remember from my own days a Community beat officer that I would have been delighted to have been informed of the circumstances you describe.
Having a chat with them, noting a few details and a reminder that they were no longer anonymous was often all that was needed to put a stop to something like this, if it didn't I knew who I was looking for and where to find them!
It saddens me to say it but these days the chances of actually getting to even speak with a police officer when you call are very slim.
But due to the ever increasing demands of the government and the reluctance of senior ranking officers to stand up and be counted this is where we are now at.
I'm sure the officers in your area would have been happy to attend if they could but as sad an admission as it is sometimes their isn't enough hours in the day to spend any time operationally policing.
I remember from my own days a Community beat officer that I would have been delighted to have been informed of the circumstances you describe.
Having a chat with them, noting a few details and a reminder that they were no longer anonymous was often all that was needed to put a stop to something like this, if it didn't I knew who I was looking for and where to find them!
It saddens me to say it but these days the chances of actually getting to even speak with a police officer when you call are very slim.
But due to the ever increasing demands of the government and the reluctance of senior ranking officers to stand up and be counted this is where we are now at.
I'm sure the officers in your area would have been happy to attend if they could but as sad an admission as it is sometimes their isn't enough hours in the day to spend any time operationally policing.
G51CAV said:
But due to the ever increasing demands of the government and the reluctance of senior ranking officers to stand up and be counted this is where we are now at.
Maybe grass roots police officers shouold band together and speak out rather than blaming the Politicians and senior ranking officers?Bing o said:
G51CAV said:
But due to the ever increasing demands of the government and the reluctance of senior ranking officers to stand up and be counted this is where we are now at.
Maybe grass roots police officers shouold band together and speak out rather than blaming the Politicians and senior ranking officers?As opposed to being simply "employees".
mark69sheer said:
but are not so when they find their detection rate is a bit pants due to all their time being wasted they will park up near a road and pick up a couple of no seatbelt or mobile phone offences.
Mark, in my force management don't care if I issue traffic FPNs - if i do it's on my own initiative & it's extra work for me on top of what I already do and is no way a substitute. Sheriff JWPepper said:
mark69sheer said:
but are not so when they find their detection rate is a bit pants due to all their time being wasted they will park up near a road and pick up a couple of no seatbelt or mobile phone offences.
Mark, in my force management don't care if I issue traffic FPNs - if i do it's on my own initiative & it's extra work for me on top of what I already do and is no way a substitute. streaky said:
Don't mention "cap" when reporting the discharge of the gun in your direction - Streaky
You really should have called 999 as soon as the gun was discharged in your direction, there would have been an immeadiatte response, and there would be ongoing observation of the activities of the chavs.Sheriff JWPepper said:
mark69sheer said:
but are not so when they find their detection rate is a bit pants due to all their time being wasted they will park up near a road and pick up a couple of no seatbelt or mobile phone offences.
Mark, in my force management don't care if I issue traffic FPNs - if i do it's on my own initiative & it's extra work for me on top of what I already do and is no way a substitute. Think before you act man !!!!
Actually, that will never happen. They won't believe you as it's too difficult to deal with, so business as usual then.
Edited by vonhosen on Friday 16th November 06:50
vonhosen said:
Sheriff JWPepper said:
mark69sheer said:
but are not so when they find their detection rate is a bit pants due to all their time being wasted they will park up near a road and pick up a couple of no seatbelt or mobile phone offences.
Mark, in my force management don't care if I issue traffic FPNs - if i do it's on my own initiative & it's extra work for me on top of what I already do and is no way a substitute. Think before you act man !!!!
Actually, that will never happen. They won't believe you as it's too difficult to deal with, so business as usual then.
Edited by vonhosen on Friday 16th November 06:50
They not do anything as simple as that as it not the phone or seatbelt which kill after all. More dosh to be made from "dying their hairs" 
Missed a call last night on my mobile from the local beat officer. He left message saying he was on duty tonight (last night) and would be keeping an eye on the area and following up the details I gave him of the car.
A shame he wasn't on shift Wednesday night but he sounded like a nice guy who was keen to stop any trouble.
A shame he wasn't on shift Wednesday night but he sounded like a nice guy who was keen to stop any trouble.
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