Why are Bull bars still legal ?

[cuneus]

and they seem to to be more prevalent

[tigger1]

Because only speed kills(sic), not obtrusive, unnecessary solid metal bars on the fronts of over-sized vehicles.

[plasticpig]

tigger1 said:

Because only speed kills(sic), not obtrusive, unnecessary solid metal bars on the fronts of over-sized vehicles.

They are quite useful if you hit a bull or kangaroo. Anyway since May its been illegal to sell solid metal bull bars. They now have to conform to EU regs.

[tigger1]

plasticpig said:

tigger1 said:

Because only speed kills(sic), not obtrusive, unnecessary solid metal bars on the fronts of over-sized vehicles.

They are quite useful if you hit a bull or kangaroo. Anyway since May its been illegal to sell solid metal bull bars. They now have to conform to EU regs.

True, I hate driving through the West Midlands, there's kangaroos absolutely ing everywhere, running wild.

What's that Skippy? I'm in the wrong hemisphere? Strewth!

[plasticpig]

tigger1 said:

plasticpig said:

tigger1 said:

Because only speed kills(sic), not obtrusive, unnecessary solid metal bars on the fronts of over-sized vehicles.

They are quite useful if you hit a bull or kangaroo. Anyway since May its been illegal to sell solid metal bull bars. They now have to conform to EU regs.

True, I hate driving through the West Midlands, there's kangaroos absolutely ing everywhere, running wild.

What's that Skippy? I'm in the wrong hemisphere? Strewth!

Well Oxfordshire, Suffolk, Northamptonshire and Buckinghamshire have wild wallabies and there has been at least one instance of a car hitting one on the M1.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4160368.stm

[tigger1]

plasticpig said:

tigger1 said:

plasticpig said:

tigger1 said:

Because only speed kills(sic), not obtrusive, unnecessary solid metal bars on the fronts of over-sized vehicles.

They are quite useful if you hit a bull or kangaroo. Anyway since May its been illegal to sell solid metal bull bars. They now have to conform to EU regs.

True, I hate driving through the West Midlands, there's kangaroos absolutely ing everywhere, running wild.

What's that Skippy? I'm in the wrong hemisphere? Strewth!

Well Oxfordshire, Suffolk, Northamptonshire and Buckinghamshire have wild wallabies and there has been at least one instance of a car hitting one on the M1.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4160368.stm

Yes, this one instance...we should use this to justify putting metal bars across the front of all 4x4's at head height. Great solution.

[plasticpig]

anonymous said:

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Well the one I saw was hopping along the A421 heading from Buckingham towrds Milton Keynes. An area which happens to be suspiously close to Woburn Safari park although the park claim never to have lost any....

[plasticpig]

tigger1 said:

plasticpig said:

tigger1 said:

plasticpig said:

tigger1 said:

Because only speed kills(sic), not obtrusive, unnecessary solid metal bars on the fronts of over-sized vehicles.

They are quite useful if you hit a bull or kangaroo. Anyway since May its been illegal to sell solid metal bull bars. They now have to conform to EU regs.

True, I hate driving through the West Midlands, there's kangaroos absolutely ing everywhere, running wild.

What's that Skippy? I'm in the wrong hemisphere? Strewth!

Well Oxfordshire, Suffolk, Northamptonshire and Buckinghamshire have wild wallabies and there has been at least one instance of a car hitting one on the M1.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4160368.stm

Yes, this one instance...we should use this to justify putting metal bars across the front of all 4x4's at head height. Great solution.

Where is the evidence that they have ever killed or increased injury to pedestrians that wouldnt of occured due to the design of vehicle without bull bars? IIRC when the police were collecting data in the 90's on this the data set was so vanishlingly small that it was statisticaly insignificant.

[Conian]

tigger1 said:

True, I hate driving through the West Midlands, there's kangaroos absolutely ing everywhere, running wild.

What's that Skippy? I'm in the wrong hemisphere? Strewth!

The place where you WILL find Kangers in the west mids, West Midlands Safari Park, shunting the animals with vehicles is frowned upon, making bull/kangeroo bars even more redundant.

[thinfourth2]

cuneus said:

and they seem to to be more prevalent

1 metal bullbars are illegal to sell

2 lovely plastic ones are perfectly legal and i see those being fitted

So exactly where are you seeing bullbars as i see less and less of them

That said winch bumpers are still legal and i use one of those as it would be dangerous to mount a winch to a plastic bumper

[Psychlist]

plasticpig said:

tigger1 said:

plasticpig said:

tigger1 said:

Because only speed kills(sic), not obtrusive, unnecessary solid metal bars on the fronts of over-sized vehicles.

They are quite useful if you hit a bull or kangaroo. Anyway since May its been illegal to sell solid metal bull bars. They now have to conform to EU regs.

True, I hate driving through the West Midlands, there's kangaroos absolutely ing everywhere, running wild.

What's that Skippy? I'm in the wrong hemisphere? Strewth!

Well Oxfordshire, Suffolk, Northamptonshire and Buckinghamshire have wild wallabies and there has been at least one instance of a car hitting one on the M1.

Impossible!
How can a car possibly get up enough velocity to hit such an agile animal as a wannabe(roo) when there are so many average speed limit camera's on the M1

[cuneus]

thinfourth2 said:

cuneus said:

and they seem to to be more prevalent

1 metal bullbars are illegal to sell

2 lovely plastic ones are perfectly legal and i see those being fitted

So exactly where are you seeing bullbars as i see less and less of them

That said winch bumpers are still legal and i use one of those as it would be dangerous to mount a winch to a plastic bumper

1 It's capital I

2 http://www.4x4at.com/product_info.php?id=1222&...

3 It's just something empirical I've noticed - no hard evidence

[delboy735]

Bull bars are dangerous to anybody stupid enough to step into the road in front of a bloody great 4 X 4 anyway, so I suggest that all 4 X 4's remove the "bars", and retro fit a Snow Plough. Wouldn't reduce the injury, but at least all victims will be pushed to the side of the road, allowing for good progress for all other roaduser's.

[BJG1]

plasticpig said:

tigger1 said:

plasticpig said:

tigger1 said:

Because only speed kills(sic), not obtrusive, unnecessary solid metal bars on the fronts of over-sized vehicles.

They are quite useful if you hit a bull or kangaroo. Anyway since May its been illegal to sell solid metal bull bars. They now have to conform to EU regs.

True, I hate driving through the West Midlands, there's kangaroos absolutely ing everywhere, running wild.

What's that Skippy? I'm in the wrong hemisphere? Strewth!

Well Oxfordshire, Suffolk, Northamptonshire and Buckinghamshire have wild wallabies and there has been at least one instance of a car hitting one on the M1.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4160368.stm

I'm from the middle of the suffolk countryside and I've never seen a bloody wallabie, there's probably about 6 of them or something in the country, not a justification for bull bars really, especially as they're no bigger than a deer.

[Hooli]

i had a bullbar on my last 4x4 & would get a metal for another 4x4 if i get one. i used my 4x4s for offroad playing & they prevent a lot of damage, which is what they are for. they protect the car from hitting things.
if people didnt walk infront of cars then they wouldnt get hurt by them, its simple.

[Darth Paul]

Hooli said:

i had a bullbar on my last 4x4 & would get a metal for another 4x4 if i get one. i used my 4x4s for offroad playing & they prevent a lot of damage, which is what they are for. they protect the car from hitting things.
if people didnt walk infront of cars then they wouldnt get hurt by them, its simple.

I do think the human race is the only species to knowingly put itself in danger. I had people crossing the road in front of me today see me coming and deliberately slow down and saunter along the road! A zebra doesn't walk in front of a lion thinking "that thing could kill me, I'll just walk slowly past it!"

[Hooli]

Darth Paul said:

Hooli said:

i had a bullbar on my last 4x4 & would get a metal for another 4x4 if i get one. i used my 4x4s for offroad playing & they prevent a lot of damage, which is what they are for. they protect the car from hitting things.
if people didnt walk infront of cars then they wouldnt get hurt by them, its simple.

I do think the human race is the only species to knowingly put itself in danger. I had people crossing the road in front of me today see me coming and deliberately slow down and saunter along the road! A zebra doesn't walk in front of a lion thinking "that thing could kill me, I'll just walk slowly past it!"

its about time the law reflected it. i see no difference between walking out infront of a car or pulling out of a junction in front of it. either way its YOUR fault for getting in front of the car, not the cars fault for being there.
ETA: you know those retards who pull out in front of you so you have to stop while they wait for a gap on the other side - ever noticed how upset they get if you stop about 6" off their door so they cant make the turn right?

Edited by Hooli on Wednesday 21st November 00:29

[TigerK]

Because if use of bullbars were made illegal, the opportunity to tax their use would be removed?

A rare piece of forethought by the government?

[Nick_F]

There are bazillions of them on Jap import 4x4s, that's why you see more of them now despite their no longer being available to buy.

I never minded them on 4x4s, it was the Transits with them that always bothered me.

[uk_vette]

anonymous said:

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