Lowering springs/kits for S1 Elise
Lowering springs/kits for S1 Elise
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Chadders

Original Poster:

149 posts

241 months

Thursday 22nd November 2007
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As the title says...

Are there any? and if so are they any good, as i'd want them for handling not looks.

ta!

EvoJay

128 posts

235 months

Thursday 22nd November 2007
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Only thing iv come accross like that is this

http://www.eliseparts.com/shop/index.php?main_page...

Not sure if it would improve the handling or make it worse. Someone may have more feedback on them.

Chadders

Original Poster:

149 posts

241 months

Thursday 22nd November 2007
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They look alright!

Would be good if someone has lowered their Elise and knew whether it improved handling or spoilt it..

but I spose the sport 160's are lower arnt they so it should be ok?

EvoJay

128 posts

235 months

Thursday 22nd November 2007
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Im not sure sorry...Im not sure on exact differences between certain models. There are some good packages around now though for new suspension, well priced to. Maybe consider a complete change.

Paul RN

1,168 posts

245 months

Thursday 22nd November 2007
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Not sure what mileage your car as got but you may want to consider refreshing the suspension at the same time.

Sport 160s run at 100/110

TIPPER

2,955 posts

250 months

Thursday 22nd November 2007
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Plenty of S1 options that I know of. Most common is to upgrade to S2 Bilstein and get brackets to lower the car . In addition Lotus also supply an LSS adjustable height damper/ spring set for the S1.
Spax, Gaz and Avo also sell suspension kits for the S1 which have adjustable ride height.
A little heard of option is Protech. They make an Elise set which I'll be fitting in the near future to upgrade from my Konis. A few pax laps at Bedford with Orange D convinced me of them and Piooly has them fitted too (in fact he was the first person I know of with them) and really rates them over the LSS kit which his S160 would have orignially had.
All of the above options are around the £500 - £600 mark except for LSS which I believe is nearer £900.
More expensive options are Nitron one way adjustables (£1250), JRZ (about £1500) and Ohlins (£dunno but lots!).
The best kit for you will depend on your use: for general road use and occasional track days the best fit and forget solution for the S1 is reckoned to be the Bilsteins.

Hollywood Wheels

3,689 posts

261 months

Friday 23rd November 2007
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Paul RN said:
Sport 160s run at 100/110
That's low. However, my original LSS was set at 90/100!!! Looked the tits, but made for interesting moments on anything other than smooth tarmac.....

My nitrons are at something like 110/120 I think, which looks too high for me......

Chadders

Original Poster:

149 posts

241 months

Friday 23rd November 2007
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Thanks for the replies..

My S1 has only got 19,000 miles on the clock, and the suspension doesnt feel like it particularly needs refreshing. But the Bilstien kit is something that ive definately considered fitting in the future, but I cant justify the expense yet, as my suspension feels to be in ok working order.

Mark B

1,671 posts

296 months

Friday 23rd November 2007
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Just lowering the car could cause issues with the tyres rubbing against wheel arch liners. The roll stiffness of the Elise is only OK as it is really set up for road use so lowering it with these brackets may cause other issues. It depends on your use and how hard you drive the thing. If you are getting serious roll angles in the bends, I wouldn't recommend them.

Lowering the car will improve handling marginally due to the lower CofG, but it doesn't stop there, the roll centres will have changed. With the original spring rates, the roll steer may not be ideal either leading to worsened grip levels.

It'll look good though wink

4pot

481 posts

255 months

Friday 23rd November 2007
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Mark B said:
Just lowering the car could cause issues with the tyres rubbing against wheel arch liners. The roll stiffness of the Elise is only OK as it is really set up for road use so lowering it with these brackets may cause other issues. It depends on your use and how hard you drive the thing. If you are getting serious roll angles in the bends, I wouldn't recommend them.

Lowering the car will improve handling marginally due to the lower CofG, but it doesn't stop there, the roll centres will have changed. With the original spring rates, the roll steer may not be ideal either leading to worsened grip levels.

It'll look good though wink
Mark,

Are you qualified to discuss suspension related matters? hehe

Mark B

1,671 posts

296 months

Friday 23rd November 2007
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Nope, I just like to talk rubbish which I over heard in the pub last night.....

Anyway, Nitrons are the only damper suitable for an Elise, everything else is rubbish!! Rubbish, rubbish, rubbish I tell you .....

nuts

Paul RN

1,168 posts

245 months

Friday 23rd November 2007
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Mark B said:
Just lowering the car could cause issues with the tyres rubbing against wheel arch liners.
Depending how low you go you may also need to raise the steering rack.

Mark B

1,671 posts

296 months

Friday 23rd November 2007
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Paul RN said:
Mark B said:
Just lowering the car could cause issues with the tyres rubbing against wheel arch liners.
Depending how low you go you may also need to raise the steering rack.
Certainly the best way to recover the oversteer / understeer toe curve...

Edited by Mark B on Saturday 24th November 07:57

Paul RN

1,168 posts

245 months

Friday 23rd November 2007
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Mark B said:
Paul RN said:
Mark B said:
Just lowering the car could cause issues with the tyres rubbing against wheel arch liners.
Depending how low you go you may also need to raise the steering rack.
Certainly the best way to recover the oversteer / understeer toe curve...
Anything running at 100/110 you'll end up having to adjust the steering rack height which Lotus did on quite a few low S1. Its also worth getting a decent geo, especially if you're changing heights.

Mark B

1,671 posts

296 months

Saturday 24th November 2007
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I was agreeing with you Paul, if the rack height isn't adjusted the toe curve through bump and rebound will be altered to much ruining the grip levels achieved as the tyre slip angle increases..

Geo is a good idea too, the Techwiki on SELOC has some recommendations for 135, 160 and 340R... Although from my reckoning, the camber angles is nothing more than the amount achieved from lowering the car.... i.e. standard height set, then the car is lowered (increasing neg camber) and the toe corrected....