Swindon Speed Cameras
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spaximus

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284 months

Thursday 22nd November 2007
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It has just been on the local news that swindon council have voted to stop funding their Part of the cost of speed cameras, unless they can keep the fines. So there we have it all about cash not about safety. As usual the "safety organisations" say this will mean deaths on the roads if there are less cameras.


ypauly

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231 months

Thursday 22nd November 2007
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spaximus said:
It has just been on the local news that swindon council have voted to stop funding their Part of the cost of speed cameras, unless they can keep the fines. So there we have it all about cash not about safety. As usual the "safety organisations" say this will mean deaths on the roads if there are less cameras.
sadly im not suprised

Mr E

23,096 posts

290 months

Friday 23rd November 2007
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Woohoo!

Jasandjules

72,680 posts

260 months

Friday 23rd November 2007
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spaximus said:
It has just been on the local news that swindon council have voted to stop funding their Part of the cost of speed cameras, unless they can keep the fines. So there we have it all about cash not about safety. As usual the "safety organisations" say this will mean deaths on the roads if there are less cameras.
Are we meant to be surprised by this?

Revenue is what it is all about for the Councils these days, nothing more, nothing less, whether it be speeding or rubbish collection.

I suppose it does rather leave them open however to get voted out for not caring about the billions of children killed each second by a motorist travelling at 30.006 mph.

spaximus

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Friday 23rd November 2007
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Jasandjules said:
spaximus said:
It has just been on the local news that swindon council have voted to stop funding their Part of the cost of speed cameras, unless they can keep the fines. So there we have it all about cash not about safety. As usual the "safety organisations" say this will mean deaths on the roads if there are less cameras.
Are we meant to be surprised by this?

Revenue is what it is all about for the Councils these days, nothing more, nothing less, whether it be speeding or rubbish collection.

I suppose it does rather leave them open however to get voted out for not caring about the billions of children killed each second by a motorist travelling at 30.006 mph.
No it was meant to highlight that the wheels on this are begining to go wrong for those who perpetuate the lies. If the council felt that it was to do with safety they would have found the cash, as it is because they cannot keep the fines,which paid for the scheme, they are now running away from it. It therefore follows that it was about the money. Now we know this put the public might start to see the hypocrasy that they spout.

Jasandjules

72,680 posts

260 months

Friday 23rd November 2007
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spaximus said:
Now we know this put the public might start to see the hypocrasy that they spout.
We can only hope, but I fear not. You see, whenever local villages campaign for a speed camera, guess who gets caught on it. YET they still defend speed cameras etc.. I think there is an element of too thick to realise how to drive for many people in the country, for whom driving is simply getting from A-B without any thought whatsoever. They are the people who believe that speed kills, and IME on the roads they are in the majority...

However, with more coppers getting done etc.. and Paul Smith getting more air time, maybe the penny will start to drop with more people. We can only hope.

liner33

10,861 posts

233 months

Friday 23rd November 2007
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Jasandjules said:
spaximus said:
Now we know this put the public might start to see the hypocrasy that they spout.
We can only hope, but I fear not. You see, whenever local villages campaign for a speed camera, guess who gets caught on it. YET they still defend speed cameras etc.. I think there is an element of too thick to realise how to drive for many people in the country, for whom driving is simply getting from A-B without any thought whatsoever. They are the people who believe that speed kills, and IME on the roads they are in the majority...
Perhaps but speed cameras are the only thing some people understand , they need the risk of prosecution to stop them speeding

Our village has problems with people speeding, so far they have narrowed the entrance to the village with bollards , increased the signage and recently put up speed indicators that flash 30 when you get in range and are speeding

No effect , these indicators are flashing at almost every vehicle that pass, some are clearly doing 60 or 70mph.

I recently had some building work done and the guy had a white van and straight away the traffic was noticably slowed because drivers thought it was a scamera van.

Another village close by had a big crackdown on speeders and had random visits from police doing speed checks and even though that was probably 5 years ago the traffic still goes more slowly than it did prior to the crackdown.

I'm sure 80% of those done were local and so be it but a problem is a problem whomever is causing it and speeding in built up areas causes real misery for people


dougc

8,241 posts

296 months

Friday 23rd November 2007
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Will be interesting to see if the powers that be take notes on the number of the ex-camera sites where KSI stats now increase.

deeps

5,432 posts

272 months

Friday 23rd November 2007
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liner33 said:
Perhaps but speed cameras are the only thing some people understand , they need the risk of prosecution to stop them speeding

Our village has problems with people speeding, so far they have narrowed the entrance to the village with bollards , increased the signage and recently put up speed indicators that flash 30 when you get in range and are speeding

No effect , these indicators are flashing at almost every vehicle that pass, some are clearly doing 60 or 70mph.

I recently had some building work done and the guy had a white van and straight away the traffic was noticably slowed because drivers thought it was a scamera van.

Another village close by had a big crackdown on speeders and had random visits from police doing speed checks and even though that was probably 5 years ago the traffic still goes more slowly than it did prior to the crackdown.

I'm sure 80% of those done were local and so be it but a problem is a problem whomever is causing it and speeding in built up areas causes real misery for people
How long and wide is the stretch of road? Is it a reduced limit that used to be higher? The limit does sound too low if some vehicles are doing 70mph.

A speed camera would only slow some traffic at that exact point, so not a good option.

A mobile camera van would slow some traffic if they spot it, but as soon as drivers see the van isn't there on any given day they will resume speed, so not a good option if safety is the main concern.

A hidden van or mobile camera will do no good, only catch drivers after the event.

So generally IMO, camera enforcement will achieve nothing. All the threats of fines and points mean nothing after dark anyway, when the mobile cameras go home and the boy racers come out.

I think the answer is simple engineering. Could a couple of mini-roundabouts be built along the stretch to break up the flow, and perhaps a pedestrian crossing or two? Also, scrapping the ridiculous bollards that force traffic on to the wrong side of the road would be wise if safety is the issue.