Owning Multiple Licences?
Discussion
Afternoon fellow PH'ers. As the week is drawing to a close, the pace of work for a Friday afternoon has curtailed somewhat and the office topic of conversation amidst friends deviated away from the world of work.
Today the conversation started off around speed camera's/points and ended up debating the possibilities of obtaining more than one driving licence to use within the UK; some scenario's involved questionable ethics which to my way of thinking would be deception, others however seemed to be quite legal and plausible. Let me give an example of each one to start the thread off:
Possible illegal way
1) UK resident with a full legal UK driving licence in their full Christian name decides to apply for a new provisional driving licence using a shortened/preferred Christian name and a differing second address; upon completion of the tests a full second driving licence is granted.
Possible legal way
1) UK resident has full UK licence and due to having a residency abroad decides to take the relevant tests in that foreign country to gain a local licence. That foreign licence could be then used to drive legally within the UK.
So really the reason for starting this topic is to discuss with perhaps a better represented audience as to if there are loopholes in licence law? A couple of my work colleges claimed to know people with more than one licence; this I found to be quite surprising as I believed it was not possible, hence the ensued debate earlier.
If that’s the case then do you feel that this plight could quite easily become more apparent in order to avoid the accumulation of 12 points from the ever increasing persecution of speeding motorists?
Today the conversation started off around speed camera's/points and ended up debating the possibilities of obtaining more than one driving licence to use within the UK; some scenario's involved questionable ethics which to my way of thinking would be deception, others however seemed to be quite legal and plausible. Let me give an example of each one to start the thread off:
Possible illegal way
1) UK resident with a full legal UK driving licence in their full Christian name decides to apply for a new provisional driving licence using a shortened/preferred Christian name and a differing second address; upon completion of the tests a full second driving licence is granted.
Possible legal way
1) UK resident has full UK licence and due to having a residency abroad decides to take the relevant tests in that foreign country to gain a local licence. That foreign licence could be then used to drive legally within the UK.
So really the reason for starting this topic is to discuss with perhaps a better represented audience as to if there are loopholes in licence law? A couple of my work colleges claimed to know people with more than one licence; this I found to be quite surprising as I believed it was not possible, hence the ensued debate earlier.
If that’s the case then do you feel that this plight could quite easily become more apparent in order to avoid the accumulation of 12 points from the ever increasing persecution of speeding motorists?
its probably possible to have more than one license in the UK and definitly possible to have a foreign and uk license.
however if you try to defer your points to one (i.e the foreign or "duplicate" license you managed to blag) you'll quickly find the DVLA arent as daft as you would expect being civil servants based in swansea.
in short they have seen it all before and are well aware of all the tricks.
however if you try to defer your points to one (i.e the foreign or "duplicate" license you managed to blag) you'll quickly find the DVLA arent as daft as you would expect being civil servants based in swansea.
in short they have seen it all before and are well aware of all the tricks.
Number 2) - well, actually your second 1) 
would not need to be so complicated. Just surrender the UK license in the other country and use that instead.
Advantage - no points possible for insurance purposes
Disadvantage - you still get points in the uk on your "ghost" license so at 12 you would still be banned.
All in all, not a bad idea to do that
would not need to be so complicated. Just surrender the UK license in the other country and use that instead.Advantage - no points possible for insurance purposes
Disadvantage - you still get points in the uk on your "ghost" license so at 12 you would still be banned.
All in all, not a bad idea to do that
EU_Foreigner said:
Number 2) - well, actually your second 1) would not need to be so complicated. Just surrender the UK license in the other country and use that instead.
Advantage - no points possible for insurance purposes
Disadvantage - you still get points in the uk on your "ghost" license so at 12 you would still be banned.
All in all, not a bad idea to do that
I can only see disadvantages for having one foreign licence, granted the points issue almost being advantageous, but you're still asked if you have a current full UK licence for insurance purposes. So if you were to answer no, then I'm sure the premium will be loaded by a figure thus quelling any point’s advantage would not need to be so complicated. Just surrender the UK license in the other country and use that instead.Advantage - no points possible for insurance purposes
Disadvantage - you still get points in the uk on your "ghost" license so at 12 you would still be banned.
All in all, not a bad idea to do that
From what I have read I think that a ghost license can't be revoked and the points lie dormant, only coming into effect if you then surrender your non UK licence to gain a UK version. What I haven’t been able to find yet is a timescale for when points on a ghost licence expire/spent. In fact this whole ghost licence is a very vague area, what address is used for example…the one stated on your non UK licence?
EU_Foreigner said:
Well, when I had to change my Dutch one for a UK one they granted me everything : trucks, bikes - the lot. So yes, they are not the cleverest over there
That’s indeed slightly worrying that they could do something like that. 
An Irish guy I once knew would use his Southern Irish licence to obtain a full UK licence in NI and he got away with it because back then DVLA had no real data exchange with Southern Ireland. They couldn't really check or verify his details. He had 3 licences on the go iirc. He needed them to!
black1 said:
davido,so the dvla arent daft well let me tell you they are !
i sent my licence to have a change of address, it had points on it but when it came back low and behold i had a clean one !
exactly the same happened to me. My points came off 4 months early. Of course I phoned to correct them immediatly i sent my licence to have a change of address, it had points on it but when it came back low and behold i had a clean one !
With any system and the application of applied grey matter what can be apparent are ways of circumventing that system and no matter how they try I doubt there will ever be a foolproof method.
The problem is when the wheel falls off and like a motorcar the consequences can be pretty painfull and it does happen, sometimes in the most simplest way.
Regarding DL then Section 102 RTA 88 should be bourne in mind in that a person is disqualified from obtaining a driving licence so long as he is the holder of a another Licence, whether that Licence is suspended or not.
Further Section 173 - Use DL with intent to deceive
Section 174 - makes false statement to obtain DL,
all of which carry hefty punishment.
dvd
The problem is when the wheel falls off and like a motorcar the consequences can be pretty painfull and it does happen, sometimes in the most simplest way.
Regarding DL then Section 102 RTA 88 should be bourne in mind in that a person is disqualified from obtaining a driving licence so long as he is the holder of a another Licence, whether that Licence is suspended or not.
Further Section 173 - Use DL with intent to deceive
Section 174 - makes false statement to obtain DL,
all of which carry hefty punishment.
dvd
Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Saturday 1st December 08:40
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