Murtaya anyone got one??

Murtaya anyone got one??

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chuntington101

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5,679 posts

166 months

Tuesday 4th December 2007
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2.0/2.5ltr turbo and 4wd with the dynamics of a scooby only MUCH lighter. looks on paper to be a winning combo. but is it any good??

also they say it has a composite monocoque tub but dont detail what material is used. dose anyone know?? is it carbon fiber??

thanks Chris.

PS. here is a link to hte site for anyone who hasn't seen them. http://www.adrenalinemotorsport.co.uk/index.html

Chris71

21,358 posts

172 months

Tuesday 4th December 2007
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I don't think they've started supplying kits yet. I had a good chat to them at Westpoint and it does sound like a seriously good car. It's substantially lighter than the original scooby, apparently even stiffer (despite the lack of a roof) and of course there is an endless supply of tuning parts. Should be a genuine Ferrar-beater for the price of a new Mondeo.

ricola

456 posts

207 months

Tuesday 4th December 2007
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Have a look at the private site www.murtaya.com as he has loads of extra links for more info. I think they do offer a carbon tub as an option over the standard fibreglass?

AdamW

768 posts

170 months

Tuesday 4th December 2007
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Kits are being supplied - we're building one as a project car in the magazine (Complete Kit Car). Neil Yates, the guy who runs Adrenaline Motorsport, is a regular poster here so you've come to the right place to ask questions!

neilrallying

200 posts

153 months

Tuesday 4th December 2007
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Hi all,

The Murtaya is most definately available and we are producing a kit a week presently, which is the planned output for 2008 as well.

There are currently around 20 cars in various states of build all around the world (UK, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) and there will be quite a few Murtaya hitting the streets in the next couple of months, including some factory built cars which we are assembling at the moment.

In terms of performance I do not really want to say too much here as this is not meant to be a place for advertising, however we have just been awarded Best Specialist Car of The Year 2007 by Japanese Performance magazine (beating the Ariel Atom to the title) and each and every magazine that has independently reviewed the car has raved about it. As well as the build series currently being run by Complete Kit Car, Total Kit Car magazine has a full feature on the car in the issue which is out on 04/01/08, it has been reviewed by all three kit magazines, various other car magazines, and there is a full Pistonheads roadtest on this website which was done at the start of the year.

At Trax 2007 held at Silverstone the factory demo car, running complete with hard top weather gear and in standard road trim recorded a verified 0-62mph in 3.5 seconds, including two gear changes as the gearing we had in the car required third to hit 62, so it is quick.
All up weight for a fully trimmed road car will be approx 900kgs depending upon the individual build specification.

However as anyone who has experienced the car will tell you the straight line performance is only a small part of the story. Come and test drive the demo car to get a full idea, but there are not very many cars which will cover real world b-roads in the way that the Murtaya can, regardless of the weather conditions. If you are looking for a sure footed supercar slayer then you may well have found the answer! We have certainly completed test drives on road and track with owners of TVR, Porsche and Ferrari's who have been astonished at what the car can do compared to their own vehicles.

As for the composite structure, on the standard car it is predominantly GRP with the addition of very specific high density shaped foam cores in certain areas, combined with a little bit of trickery in certain parts of the car to make it special. We do also offer a carbon composite upgrade for those seeking the ultimate in performance although clearly there is a price implication! I am happy to run through this in detail with anyone at the factory or at a show, bit too dull to repeat it all here!

Everything about the car has been designed for purpose, from the struts which have dampers that are specifically valved and shimmed for the car, through to the laser cut boot hinges.

Hmmmm, starting to sound like an advert for it, so lets finish here, it is available, we are delivering kits, we have sold over 20 in this our first year, plus taken many deposits against 2008 build slots, there is a demo car available for test drives at the factory, and we will be at both the London Motorsport Show (Excel Centre, London) this coming weekend (8/9 December) and Autosport International 10-13th January at the NEC.

Please do not hesitate to get in touch with any questions or queries on 01637 889351 or neil@adrenalinemotorsport.co.uk

Many thanks,

Neil.
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chuntington101

Original Poster:

5,679 posts

166 months

Tuesday 4th December 2007
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thankls for the replies everyone. it dose look a great car. any by using the increadably tuneable Scooby platform should be increadably fast!

thanks agian

Chris.

Jack_and_MLE

570 posts

169 months

Tuesday 4th December 2007
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Will the falt six fit?

Jack

kylemrushall

1,917 posts

134 months

Tuesday 4th December 2007
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Jack_and_MLE said:
Will the falt six fit?

Jack
why would you want to fit a flat six when the four makes 450bhp and sounds awesome.

Try it with a four as designed which will also make construction a lot easier without having to change chassis etc etc

What ive seen of the car it looks brilliant and i think will be an up to date replacement for seven cars.

GOOD LUCK with the sales of the car it is so nice to see something different on the kit car market. I think imo that the industry will move on well in 2008 as new cars seem to be pushing the boundaries and the kit car press (complete kit car) has improved past all recognition.

ricola

456 posts

207 months

Tuesday 4th December 2007
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Jack_and_MLE said:
Will the falt six fit?

Jack
I think it is only about an extra inch or two longer due to using a chain instead of cam belt and I doubt the Murtaya is THAT tight for space that it would not be possible. Having said that I don't think there is much point except to be different. There are some twin turbo flat 6 powered Imprezas about..

kylemrushall

1,917 posts

134 months

Tuesday 4th December 2007
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ricola said:
Jack_and_MLE said:
Will the falt six fit?

Jack
I think it is only about an extra inch or two longer due to using a chain instead of cam belt and I doubt the Murtaya is THAT tight for space that it would not be possible. Having said that I don't think there is much point except to be different. There are some twin turbo flat 6 powered Imprezas about..
wow i didnt know that imprezas had flat sixes fitted.... sorry i stand corrected

Lone Granger

801 posts

173 months

Wednesday 5th December 2007
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they dont...

however other models offer non turbo sixes - I wish they would use the six with twin turbo - isnt there a company in Germany doing that with a good level of success..?

chuntington101

Original Poster:

5,679 posts

166 months

Wednesday 5th December 2007
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Lone Granger said:
they dont...

however other models offer non turbo sixes - I wish they would use the six with twin turbo - isnt there a company in Germany doing that with a good level of success..?
not sure about germany but there was a race outfit form OZ that was hill climbing a Scooby with a flat 6 twin turbo motor. they said it made over 800bhp!

i think there isn't a BIG need for the 6pot anyway. with the US getting the 2.5ltr flat 4s there are loads of tuning products coming out now. i have seen 700+bhp motors built form the 2.5ltr block. and you can even get twin turbo option!

the only real world advantage would be drivability, but i think in a car that only weighs 900+kg its going to make little differance. infact it the bigger engine might actually upset the handling.

thanks Chris.

chuntington101

Original Poster:

5,679 posts

166 months

Wednesday 5th December 2007
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neilrallying, do you have any 'under bonnet' shots?? i have searched the net but cant find any. it would be nice to see how everything sit under there.

thanks agian

Chris.

neilrallying

200 posts

153 months

Wednesday 5th December 2007
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Chris, YHM.

As for the tuning options, yes there is a huge amount out there depending on what you want and the intended use of the car. Remember that for a road car a headline grabbing BHP figure does not necessarily make a quick machine point to point, the power delivery and torque make a big impact here (and I see that drivability has already been mentioned). In our current demo car we run a 2.5 bottom end with WRX cylinder heads and a mappable ECU. This gives us 340bhp, not a big figure in todays market, but with 340lb ft of torque as well. Significantly we have 300LB ft at just over 3000rpm and still over 300lb ft at 6000rpm which makes for an awesome road engine which really delivers the goods.

For those who must have the ultimate companies like Engine Tuner (who build all of our factory motors) can get 800+bhp from the Scooby motor, but you will need deep pockets and long arms!

While it is always nice for the brag factor to have huge power figures I do not think that many people would feel the need for more than 400bhp in a Murtaya, particularly for a road car, and to be honest only a trip in the demo car can explain why.

Just think about the recipe for a second, 900kgs, four wheel drive, incredibly stiff monocoque, good suspension geometry, 340bhp, 340lb ft, your favourite twisty b-road, devouring it time after time, braking later than you ever believed possible, carrying huge speed through the apex and catapulting out onto the next straight using every ounce of the performance as all four tyres dig in to the tarmac. Trust me, you do not need 500+bhp! We have not had a single customer yet saying that they want a car which is faster than the demo with 'only' 340bhp.

Neil.


kylemrushall

1,917 posts

134 months

Wednesday 5th December 2007
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neilrallying said:
Chris, YHM.

As for the tuning options, yes there is a huge amount out there depending on what you want and the intended use of the car. Remember that for a road car a headline grabbing BHP figure does not necessarily make a quick machine point to point, the power delivery and torque make a big impact here (and I see that drivability has already been mentioned). In our current demo car we run a 2.5 bottom end with WRX cylinder heads and a mappable ECU. This gives us 340bhp, not a big figure in todays market, but with 340lb ft of torque as well. Significantly we have 300LB ft at just over 3000rpm and still over 300lb ft at 6000rpm which makes for an awesome road engine which really delivers the goods.

For those who must have the ultimate companies like Engine Tuner (who build all of our factory motors) can get 800+bhp from the Scooby motor, but you will need deep pockets and long arms!

While it is always nice for the brag factor to have huge power figures I do not think that many people would feel the need for more than 400bhp in a Murtaya, particularly for a road car, and to be honest only a trip in the demo car can explain why.

Just think about the recipe for a second, 900kgs, four wheel drive, incredibly stiff monocoque, good suspension geometry, 340bhp, 340lb ft, your favourite twisty b-road, devouring it time after time, braking later than you ever believed possible, carrying huge speed through the apex and catapulting out onto the next straight using every ounce of the performance as all four tyres dig in to the tarmac. Trust me, you do not need 500+bhp! We have not had a single customer yet saying that they want a car which is faster than the demo with 'only' 340bhp.

Neil.
Hi Neil

The Murtaya looks great!! I was wondering if you think a well built example would be up to every day use?? What would a good spec 280bhp example cost to put on the road (i would build it myself)

thanks kyle

ps it would also double as my wifes fun car (i have an Ultima GTR for that)

neilrallying

200 posts

153 months

Wednesday 5th December 2007
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Hi Kyle,

Thanks for the kind comments about the car.

Everyday use, definately. There is a decent size boot and lots of storage space behind the seats.

There is a hard top which works very well for the winter months.

The demo car has done over 40k this year with us trying our best to break it, all to no avail!

Cost, well a very nicely built STI based Murtaya, allowing for reconditioning the engine and gearbox to new would come in at about 23k, made up as follows;-

Kit 13,500
Donor STI in excellent condition 4,000
Recondition engine and drive train to new 4,000 (3,250 for 2.5 bottom end, top end refurb and mappable ECU, 750 for gearbox and diff).
Paint and trim 2,000
SVA and registration 400
Total 23,900
Sell Impreza body and unused parts 1,000
Grand total £23,000

Of course it can be done for well under 20k with a well chosen donor which needs little or no reconditioning, there are lots of them out there and we can help with the sourcing if required.

Please do not hesitate to get in touch should you have any further questions or queries, and the keys to the demo car are here waiting for you should you fancy a drive.....

Neil.




deviant

4,316 posts

140 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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I think the Murtaya is a damn fine looking piece of kit!

If only i could figure out how to get one down to aussie land and get it on the roadscratchchin

neilrallying

200 posts

153 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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That is quite easy Deviant, contact our Australian agent, Paul Rayner at RSR Performance in Western Australia! 11/91 Champion Drive, Kelmscott, WA, paul.a.rayner@bigpond.com .

We have a couple of kits being shipped out in December which are due to hit Freemantle early Feb and more planned for early in the new year.

We have distributors in place in Australia, New Zealand, the Middle East and North America.

Neil.

kylemrushall

1,917 posts

134 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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neilrallying said:
Hi Kyle,

Thanks for the kind comments about the car.

Everyday use, definately. There is a decent size boot and lots of storage space behind the seats.

There is a hard top which works very well for the winter months.

The demo car has done over 40k this year with us trying our best to break it, all to no avail!

Cost, well a very nicely built STI based Murtaya, allowing for reconditioning the engine and gearbox to new would come in at about 23k, made up as follows;-

Kit 13,500
Donor STI in excellent condition 4,000
Recondition engine and drive train to new 4,000 (3,250 for 2.5 bottom end, top end refurb and mappable ECU, 750 for gearbox and diff).
Paint and trim 2,000
SVA and registration 400
Total 23,900
Sell Impreza body and unused parts 1,000
Grand total £23,000

Of course it can be done for well under 20k with a well chosen donor which needs little or no reconditioning, there are lots of them out there and we can help with the sourcing if required.

Please do not hesitate to get in touch should you have any further questions or queries, and the keys to the demo car are here waiting for you should you fancy a drive.....

Neil.
Great talking to you yesterday!!!

I have talked to my wife and we want one, i had a look at flights yesterday and i could not find anything cheap!!! Who flies into Newquay, or who have previous visitors travelled with??

One technical question why is a 2.5 bottom end better than the 2.0??
Torque and durability??

thanks Kyle

neilrallying

200 posts

153 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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The 2.5 makes sense as they are available brand new from Subaru at stupidly cheap money ready to fit and all of the WRX/STI heads and ancils will go pretty much straight on.

The extra torque is a big benefit and makes a real difference from 3-4.5k.

Flights should not be too much of a problem, Air South West, Fly Be, British Airways and Ryan Air all run regular scheduled flights, tend to be cheaper if you book well in advance than if you leave it to last minute.

Great to know you are planning a visit, I'll order up some bad weather so that you can see where the car really shines!!

Neil.