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I wish the police did more with Jay-Walking in London. I manged to clip another pedestrian last night on my motorbike, no damage to them or me but the just didn't bother to look either way! Earlier in year I put a woman in Hospital who walked out infront of me in South London, I got given the third degree and the woman who admitted she never bothered to look had nothing siad to her :-( It seems that pedestrians seem to take no action for their own saftey at all in London and generaly think they have the right to pop jump out from behind buses and cross in busy flowing traffic.... Grrrr
Anyone ever seen anyone getting done for Jay-Walking?
I wish the police did more with Jay-Walking in London. I manged to clip another pedestrian last night on my motorbike, no damage to them or me but the just didn't bother to look either way! Earlier in year I put a woman in Hospital who walked out infront of me in South London, I got given the third degree and the woman who admitted she never bothered to look had nothing siad to her :-( It seems that pedestrians seem to take no action for their own saftey at all in London and generaly think they have the right to pop jump out from behind buses and cross in busy flowing traffic.... Grrrr
Anyone ever seen anyone getting done for Jay-Walking?
tank slapper said:
tigger1 said:
Pedestrians in the road DO have right of way.
Yes, if they are there already. They don't have carte blanche to just walk out whenever they like and expect people to stop in time for them.We were waiting outside in the queue for a gig and one of my friends decided she was going home.
So she stood at the lights and they just would not go red! So she went to walk out and two taxis had to emergency stop to avoid her. They were blaring their horns and ranting, which was obviously funny for us watching. Two seconds later we heard the 'wipwip' of a police siren and one of those police inner city minibuses pulled up at the side of the road! They bounced out, like in a raid, but apprehended her!! Made her sit in the back of the minibus and lectured her for jaywalking, told her she was drunk and had to go home!! She was sober but a bit of a t*t.
This was obviously hilarious for me to witness but as for getting done, no she just got a warning.
So she stood at the lights and they just would not go red! So she went to walk out and two taxis had to emergency stop to avoid her. They were blaring their horns and ranting, which was obviously funny for us watching. Two seconds later we heard the 'wipwip' of a police siren and one of those police inner city minibuses pulled up at the side of the road! They bounced out, like in a raid, but apprehended her!! Made her sit in the back of the minibus and lectured her for jaywalking, told her she was drunk and had to go home!! She was sober but a bit of a t*t.
This was obviously hilarious for me to witness but as for getting done, no she just got a warning.
tigger1 said:
road_rager said:
Anyone ever seen anyone getting done for Jay-Walking?
Not unless you're talking about London in the United States...UK doesn't have "jaywalking" laws.Pedestrians in the road DO have right of way.
road_rager said:
tigger1 said:
road_rager said:
Anyone ever seen anyone getting done for Jay-Walking?
Not unless you're talking about London in the United States...UK doesn't have "jaywalking" laws.Pedestrians in the road DO have right of way.
What you should remember is that the footway is part of the road, it’s just that it is put by for the use of foot passengers. Therefore, a pedestrian is just like any other road user. If you do any manoeuvre that obstructs a pedestrian’s free passage then it’s an offence – careless, inconsiderate, that sort of thing.
If a pedestrian is walking along a main road and comes to a junction, generally he/she has right of way. I’ve actually stuck a London cabby on for failing to allow precedence to a very attractive young lady.
The law might well consider that, as pedestrians are the most vulnerable road users apart from cyclists, drivers should take care when near them.
I know the frustration mate...
Try driving a big yellow truck with loads of blue flashy lights and a 134 decibell siren through the streets of London, its like you attract pedestrians.
Turn on the blues on toos it like turning on a magnet, every ped seems to have to cross instantly, and right in front of your vehicle.
I really dont get it, how can you not hear/see us ???
If i would get a pound for every time i would have to use the airhorn because some muppet decides to cross in front of us i would be a millionair.
Of every 10 peds we're send to who got hit by a car/bus/bike whilst crossing 2 are tourist who just looked the wrong way before crossing, and the rest are ignorant muppets who just didnt bother to look at all.
Try driving a big yellow truck with loads of blue flashy lights and a 134 decibell siren through the streets of London, its like you attract pedestrians.
Turn on the blues on toos it like turning on a magnet, every ped seems to have to cross instantly, and right in front of your vehicle.
I really dont get it, how can you not hear/see us ???
If i would get a pound for every time i would have to use the airhorn because some muppet decides to cross in front of us i would be a millionair.
Of every 10 peds we're send to who got hit by a car/bus/bike whilst crossing 2 are tourist who just looked the wrong way before crossing, and the rest are ignorant muppets who just didnt bother to look at all.
This morning I turned in from Rottingdean High Street to Steyning Road. A woman was waiting to cross from my right to left. It was teeming with rain and the wind was driving the drops into her face. I stopped and she started to cross over. A cabbie pulled up behind me completely blocking the Hight Street and then, just as the woman was right in front of my car, the cabbie hooted and gesticulated in that manner only they seem to be able to master. Offensive, crude and so irritating.
I accept that the woman, by stopping at the kerb, had conceded right of way but by stopping to allow her to cross over in such dreadful weather I was driving with due consideration for other road users - ie the woman.
Steyning is a 200-yard 20mph road with speed humps. The cabbie, still waving one arm around, decided that the only place for him was right on my bumper.
I've found that most professional commercial drivers, white van man included but not white van woman so much, treat pedestrainas with consideration and care. And I am sure that this cabbie's attitude was not the norm (although neither was he unique). But it was pelting down and a force 6. Less than a miunte seemed too long to wait for this bloke.
I accept that the woman, by stopping at the kerb, had conceded right of way but by stopping to allow her to cross over in such dreadful weather I was driving with due consideration for other road users - ie the woman.
Steyning is a 200-yard 20mph road with speed humps. The cabbie, still waving one arm around, decided that the only place for him was right on my bumper.
I've found that most professional commercial drivers, white van man included but not white van woman so much, treat pedestrainas with consideration and care. And I am sure that this cabbie's attitude was not the norm (although neither was he unique). But it was pelting down and a force 6. Less than a miunte seemed too long to wait for this bloke.
road_rager said:
tigger1 said:
road_rager said:
Anyone ever seen anyone getting done for Jay-Walking?
Not unless you're talking about London in the United States...UK doesn't have "jaywalking" laws.Pedestrians in the road DO have right of way.
What pisses me off as a pedestrian is being halfway across the entrance of a road and a car then turning into the junction (quite often on a left turn without indicators in the case of one junction) and them beeping and waving at me to get out of their way. What am I supposed to do, dematerialise? There are rarely crossings on these roads, I've got to get across somehow, the highway code says if I'm already crossing they should give way to me and if they'd have bothered to use their bleeding indicators I might have had a fighting chance of leaping out of their way! (deep breath...)
Having said that as a driver I rarely wave pedestrians across in that situation if they aren't already in the road - I once dealt with a nasty claim where a motorist stopped on a road, waved a lady with a pram across in front of him and was then shunted from behind into her. That was nasty.
Having said that as a driver I rarely wave pedestrians across in that situation if they aren't already in the road - I once dealt with a nasty claim where a motorist stopped on a road, waved a lady with a pram across in front of him and was then shunted from behind into her. That was nasty.
if someone tries to force me to stop so they can cross the road then i will not stop. however if they wait i'll often let them go. politeness goes both ways.
i dont see someone walking out in front of you as any different to a car pulling out of a junction infront of you. they are in the wrong & if they get hit it's their fault.
EDITED: cause i dunno my theres from my theirs
i dont see someone walking out in front of you as any different to a car pulling out of a junction infront of you. they are in the wrong & if they get hit it's their fault.
EDITED: cause i dunno my theres from my theirs
Edited by Hooli on Wednesday 5th December 13:48
Hooli said:
if someone tries to force me to stop so they can cross the road then i will not stop. however if they wait i'll often let them go. politeness goes both ways.
i dont see someone walking out in front of you as any different to a car pulling out of a junction infront of you. they are in the wrong & if they get hit it's their fault.
EDITED: cause i dunno my theres from my theirs
I kind of see your point, although I think I would only go so far with the "not stopping"! I'm FAR more likely to let somebody drive out of a side-road if they haven't "poked-out"* than if they have.i dont see someone walking out in front of you as any different to a car pulling out of a junction infront of you. they are in the wrong & if they get hit it's their fault.
EDITED: cause i dunno my theres from my theirs
Edited by Hooli on Wednesday 5th December 13:48
- unless it's a beemer, in which case there's 0% chance either way.
Hooli said:
tigger1 said:
I think I would only go so far with the "not stopping"!
best one was a drunk i just tweaked the wheel to get around. he walked straight into the side on my old landy. made a lovely noise 
Crunch.
No harm done. Giggles all round.
tigger1 said:
I'm FAR more likely to let somebody drive out of a side-road if they haven't "poked-out"* than if they have.
Same here, it annoys me when cars from a sideroad instantly try to enter the main road (without even having stopped at the junction) and then blocking all oncoming traffic because they want to sqeeze in.They wont get in front of me, and hopefully not in front of the couple cars behind me as well, but if they actually stop at the junction ive got no problem in flashing my lights and let them quickly jump in.
Derek Smith said:
road_rager said:
tigger1 said:
road_rager said:
Anyone ever seen anyone getting done for Jay-Walking?
Not unless you're talking about London in the United States...UK doesn't have "jaywalking" laws.Pedestrians in the road DO have right of way.
What you should remember is that the footway is part of the road, it’s just that it is put by for the use of foot passengers. Therefore, a pedestrian is just like any other road user. If you do any manoeuvre that obstructs a pedestrian’s free passage then it’s an offence – careless, inconsiderate, that sort of thing.
If a pedestrian is walking along a main road and comes to a junction, generally he/she has right of way. I’ve actually stuck a London cabby on for failing to allow precedence to a very attractive young lady.
The law might well consider that, as pedestrians are the most vulnerable road users apart from cyclists, drivers should take care when near them.
Back where I brought up - jay-walking fineable offence. They get very nasty fine wise if you cross on the "red signal"
tigger1 said:
Pedestrians in the road DO have right of way.
Is that still the case if there is a junction with traffic lights for cars and pedestrians? Obviously the pedestrian would have a red signal if I've got a green.(I hit a tourist on my bike last year who walked into the road looking in the wrong direction. He got a bruise on his arm and I had a broken arm, £1000 of damage to the bike, plus needed a new helmet & jacket. All at 25-30 mph. Maybe next time I'll try to pull a wheelie over any pedestrian that does the same)
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