Rossi Calls For Banning or Reduction Of Traction Control
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If that's the case then all the ducatis would arrive at the same time followed by all the hondas followed by all the yamahas (although not necessarily in that order). Reading between the lines I'd say that the skills required are changing and the new ones don't suit him quite so well.
Instinctively I'm against traction control and I don't doubt having it takes away a lot of what makes a special tallent faster than the rest.
But pre-traction control you used to see some big crashes that weren't always the fault of the rider and getting injured could easily ruin a champonship.
Hayden seems to run very little traction control and maybe those settings should be standard, just stopping freakish highsides.
But pre-traction control you used to see some big crashes that weren't always the fault of the rider and getting injured could easily ruin a champonship.
Hayden seems to run very little traction control and maybe those settings should be standard, just stopping freakish highsides.
A ban on TC, can't come soon enough. Probably take another few seasons though, as teams will need time to adjust - I'd imagine Ducati will need a completely new engine design, as their current one would be a pig without TC.
Dorna need to listen to the fans though, after all we pay their wages - i'm pretty sure the majority want TC banned.
Dorna need to listen to the fans though, after all we pay their wages - i'm pretty sure the majority want TC banned.
Rawwr said:
More injuries, slower laps, backward development! Awesome!
The bikes lap faster than ever now, is that any safer than before?Who cares about lap times? I prefer to see good racing & riders fighting to control their machines. If i wanted to see fast lap times i'd watch F1.
Bacwards development? BMW were the first to introduce TC to a road bike, have you seen them racing in motogp recently?
JS99 said:
The bikes lap faster than ever now, is that any safer than before?
Well there have been less accidents and incidents since the introduction of TC.JS99 said:
Who cares about lap times?
Ducati, Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Stoner, Rossi, Pedrosa, Hayden, Capirossi, Vermeulen, Melandri, Toseland, de Angelis, Dovizioso, Lorenzo, Edwards, Guintoli, Nakano, de Puniet, West, Hopkins... etcJS99 said:
I prefer to see good racing & riders fighting to control their machines. If i wanted to see fast lap times i'd watch F1.
Watch speedway if you want to see bikes going sideways all the time. This is MotoGP. If you really didn't notice any riders wresting with their bikes during the 2007 season then you clearly missed something.JS99 said:
Bacwards development? BMW were the first to introduce TC to a road bike, have you seen them racing in motogp recently?
Saab were the first to introduce it on road cars, if I recall correctly. Haven't seen Saab in F1. Regardless of who puts the technology to the road, the translation comes from the innovation developed in prototypes series.If Rossi doesn't want to use traction control, that's fine. Get Yamaha to remove it from his bike.
Edited by Rawwr on Wednesday 12th December 12:38
Apologies for the name drop again......
Speaking to Sir Crafar over lunch in Spain
, he was recalling his days as a 500 rider. He was saying that the bikes were so powerful, and weighed so little, you couldn't even touch he throttle without having all of your weight on the footpegs and be hanging over the front wheel, otherwise you'd be straight off the back. Re cornering you had to be on the absolute edge, realising when both wheels were about to go and making a million corrections before you lost it.
Now I understand that todays riders are all on the edge etc, but I can't help feeling that all the electrics should be taken out and leave the riders with their skills. However, having said that it's all about the whole package, the team etc...so....Dunno really!!!!!
Speaking to Sir Crafar over lunch in Spain
, he was recalling his days as a 500 rider. He was saying that the bikes were so powerful, and weighed so little, you couldn't even touch he throttle without having all of your weight on the footpegs and be hanging over the front wheel, otherwise you'd be straight off the back. Re cornering you had to be on the absolute edge, realising when both wheels were about to go and making a million corrections before you lost it.Now I understand that todays riders are all on the edge etc, but I can't help feeling that all the electrics should be taken out and leave the riders with their skills. However, having said that it's all about the whole package, the team etc...so....Dunno really!!!!!
Rawwr said:
JS99 said:
The bikes lap faster than ever now, is that any safer than before?
Well there have been less accidents and incidents since the introduction of TC.JS99 said:
Riders still get injured, with or without TC (Elias to name one) circuit design is most important.
JS99 said:
Who cares about lap times?
Ducati, Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Stoner, Rossi, Pedrosa, Hayden, Capirossi, Vermeulen, Melandri, Toseland, de Angelis, Dovizioso, Lorenzo, Edwards, Guintoli, Nakano, de Puniet, West, Hopkins... etcJS99 said:
Then they would have to learn how to control a bike without TC, if it gets banned. When i say who cares - i mean the fans, does anybody really care if lap times are slower? i don't
JS99 said:
I prefer to see good racing & riders fighting to control their machines. If i wanted to see fast lap times i'd watch F1.
This is MotoGP. If you really didn't notice any riders wresting with their bikes during the 2007 season then you clearly missed something.JS99 said:
They might wrestle them a little, but what motogp used to be about was not just wrestling the bike, but taking control of it with throttle control. unlike today were the computer does the thinking if things get out of shape, the rider just needs to hang on.
JS99 said:
Bacwards development? BMW were the first to introduce TC to a road bike, have you seen them racing in motogp recently?
Regardless of who puts the technology to the road, the translation comes from the innovation developed in prototypes series.JS99 said:
The point is, that manufactures don't need a prototype series to develop bikes, as BMW didn't.
If Rossi doesn't want to use traction control, that's fine. Get Yamaha to remove it from his bike.JS99 said:
Much better to remove it from all bikes.
Rawwr said:
Sort out the quotes and I'll sort out a reply 
Sorry for the jumbled quotes, it was the easiest way i found to reply to the multiple quotes Other than i'm 100% against traction control in all forms of motorsport, i don't have anything else to say on the matter - I've had too many arguements about it already on other boards
Edited by JS99 on Wednesday 12th December 13:21
Chilli said:
Apologies for the name drop again......
Speaking to Sir Crafar over lunch in Spain , he was recalling his days as a 500 rider. He was saying that the bikes were so powerful, and weighed so little, you couldn't even touch he throttle without having all of your weight on the footpegs and be hanging over the front wheel, otherwise you'd be straight off the back. Re cornering you had to be on the absolute edge, realising when both wheels were about to go and making a million corrections before you lost it.
Now I understand that todays riders are all on the edge etc, but I can't help feeling that all the electrics should be taken out and leave the riders with their skills. However, having said that it's all about the whole package, the team etc...so....Dunno really!!!!!
Simon Crafar would know, I read Raineys book and he mentions how much he and the other riders had to wrestle those 500's around.........I stood at Craner Curves in the wet this year and Stoners bike was just so quick and i've stood in that same place for 5+ years, the traction control was doing the work for him.Speaking to Sir Crafar over lunch in Spain
, he was recalling his days as a 500 rider. He was saying that the bikes were so powerful, and weighed so little, you couldn't even touch he throttle without having all of your weight on the footpegs and be hanging over the front wheel, otherwise you'd be straight off the back. Re cornering you had to be on the absolute edge, realising when both wheels were about to go and making a million corrections before you lost it.Now I understand that todays riders are all on the edge etc, but I can't help feeling that all the electrics should be taken out and leave the riders with their skills. However, having said that it's all about the whole package, the team etc...so....Dunno really!!!!!
As for lap times I must confess would rather see close racing as for injuries do not want to see anyone hurt but it comes with the job......Schwantz won at Donny with a broken wrist a true legend!
Lets get Moto GP to how it should be.....
Lets ban hydraulic disc brakes and go back to cable operated drums! Racing was great in the days when braking had to be planned three weeks in advance!
Surely this is just another development in technology that riders have to adapt too, like changes in capacity limits or engine types.
If Rossi (god that he is) does not get on well with traction control then that’s a shame for Rossi but progress was always going to leave him behind at some point.
Surely this is just another development in technology that riders have to adapt too, like changes in capacity limits or engine types.
If Rossi (god that he is) does not get on well with traction control then that’s a shame for Rossi but progress was always going to leave him behind at some point.
black-k1 said:
Lets ban hydraulic disc brakes and go back to cable operated drums! Racing was great in the days when braking had to be planned three weeks in advance!
The argument doesn’t work for me … development is acceptable in any direction ASLONG as the rider maintains 100% control.NO traction control in my opinion …. in ANY form of motorsport !!!!
The riders / drivers should be in fully in control at all times …
Question for all the advocates of TC where do you suggest the line should be drawn?
Should ABS be allowed? How about some kind of navigation system that prevents the rider driving off the track? Active steering assistance?
How about the rider is replaced all together and the bike just rides itself around? After all the rider is the weak link and this would likely provide you with the fastest lap times … be a bit pointless to watch though!
Edited by John Laverick on Wednesday 12th December 14:59
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