MGS4 video OMG

[Pony]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QOGB1LqnUc&fea...



omg i'm starting to reconsider getting an Xbox 360 this christmas.
that game looks immense

[RobDickinson]

Well it'll likely be out on the 360 in some form or another anyhow.

But graphicaly didnt look anything better than GoW, gameplay looked fairly generic and whats with the oil drum being impervious to bullets? lol.

[Tycho]

Looks like all the others in the series with fancy graphics. How did he use the sniper rifle without the other soldiers noticing?

[Malx]

I thought assasin's creed looked better TBH.

Oh and wheb he became the statue what was he holding on to?!

Edited by Malx on Thursday 13th December 10:58

[scorp_2]

Looks very good although not exceptionally so (like GT5), i hope there is a little more colour to the background, the video looked a bit monochrome.

[hodgy587]

Ive seen the full 15 minute gameplay video in HD and dont be fooled by the poor youtube quality, this looks amazing. Never been a huge MGS fan to be honest but if it turns out to be as good as its looking I may get it.

[-DeaDLocK-]

hodgy587 said:

Ive seen the full 15 minute gameplay video in HD and dont be fooled by the poor youtube quality, this looks amazing. Never been a huge MGS fan to be honest but if it turns out to be as good as its looking I may get it.

Have you seen Assassin's Creed in HD? Looks much the same sort of quality from where I'm sitting, when I compare what I see there that isn't that realistic (like how all shadows are hard edged and polygonal/angular) to AC, which are much the same.

Basically, good, but not revolutionary. I think games like GOW and AC are approaching the upper limits of what the 360 will do graphically. Famous last words though!

[scorp]

-DeaDLocK- said:

hodgy587 said:

Ive seen the full 15 minute gameplay video in HD and dont be fooled by the poor youtube quality, this looks amazing. Never been a huge MGS fan to be honest but if it turns out to be as good as its looking I may get it.

Have you seen Assassin's Creed in HD? Looks much the same sort of quality from where I'm sitting, when I compare what I see there that isn't that realistic (like how all shadows are hard edged and polygonal/angular) to AC, which are much the same.

Basically, good, but not revolutionary. I think games like GOW and AC are approaching the upper limits of what the 360 will do graphically. Famous last words though!

Mass effect beats GOW hands down in terms of quality, although the framerate is sacrificed. Coming from a 3d programming background myself, the maxim "The fastest polygons are the ones you don't draw" is true, games like AC and GOW probably overdraw like crazy, i don't think there is such thing as a perfect renderer, games are as much dependant on programming trickery to speed up the rendering process as much as they are on the graphics hardware. You can test this yourself in games like HalfLife(PC) or Quake by running with noclip on, walk into beyond a wall boundary and you can see the engine draws rooms that aren't visible (i think those may be crap examples actually, something like Unreal demonstrates my point better). It is impracticle to calculate exactly what to draw and not waste any bandwidth as the CPU would take far too long working it out, so everything is a trade off between how much cpu power you have and how much bandwidth the graphics card (or chip) has.

Angular shadows are an artefact of shadow volumes, basically making extrusions of the object that is casting the shadow by constructing (sharp) polygons. Soft shadows are similiar but instead of polygons a texture is used so filtering/smoothing can be applied, there are pro's and con's to both though, soft shadows are limited by vram (because they are rendered into texture maps and filtered by the card) and "hard" shadows are limited by cpu (because its not easy to generate outlines/sillouettes quickly in realtime).

Another bottleneck which affects modern consoles is how data is streamed from the disc, consoles don't have the ram to load several gigs of textures at once so they have to be done piecemeal in a on-demand fashion, Mass-Effect sucks at this somewhat and GOW in some areas (this is known as "texture popup&quot. Software techniques can solve these problems to a degree, anybody can "push" a machines hardware without effort, the trick is getting the most out of it. Games with limited freedom also help this problem, GOW is largely linear so anticipating what to load next isn't hard, games like GTA4 have higher degrees of freedom so anticipating what to read next is a problem (infact i know some of the techniques used specifically for that game, and it's not pretty)

Sorry for the iness

Edited by scorp on Thursday 13th December 18:58

Edited by scorp on Thursday 13th December 19:00

Edited by scorp on Thursday 13th December 19:02

[hodgy587]

-DeaDLocK- said:

hodgy587 said:

Ive seen the full 15 minute gameplay video in HD and dont be fooled by the poor youtube quality, this looks amazing. Never been a huge MGS fan to be honest but if it turns out to be as good as its looking I may get it.

Have you seen Assassin's Creed in HD? Looks much the same sort of quality from where I'm sitting, when I compare what I see there that isn't that realistic (like how all shadows are hard edged and polygonal/angular) to AC, which are much the same.

Basically, good, but not revolutionary. I think games like GOW and AC are approaching the upper limits of what the 360 will do graphically. Famous last words though!

Yes I have Assasin's creed and to be honest after playing uncharted drakes fortune I think apart from its scale the graphics look a tad shody

[:J:]

Pony said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QOGB1LqnUc&fea...



omg i'm starting to reconsider getting an Xbox 360 this christmas.
that game looks immense

Is MGS not a Sony exclusive and therefore will not be on the 360 ?

I am not sure, this report says no to 360 :

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=55468

And this one says yes ???

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/a58390/metal-ge...

Either way, IMO, the MGS series sucks, so I don't even know why I worry