Police road block in N Wales
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Any BiB's care to comment on this message which came to me today?
Begins:
Yesterday evening I was travelling through Wrexham in the direction of Mold…past the football ground. As it was about 5.30 the roads were extremely busy going out as people leave work I assume .I noticed a massive police presence on the opposite side of the road , the football ground entrance and the Turf pub car park .There was an array of vehicles which included what I term riot type vans , vans and cop cars. I assumed ( wrongly ) that there was a football match on…no it was not in fact it was a vehicle / driver check. The resultant chaos meant a traffic jam past the roundabout leading back towards Gwersyllt.It was particularly busy as people made their way to a pleasant evenings shopping .. some welcome !!
One of our supporters was stopped ( going into town shopping ), an elderly gentleman and his good lady. His car was searched and they found an ornamental truncheon in the boot, he was told it was an offensive weapon. The constable was polite and was about to return it to him when a more senior officer “ grabbed it “. Our supporter protested and requested a receipt , the senior officer ignored him and took it away.. he was told to get on with his journey.
Naturally he feels most upset at this and will with our help lodge a formal complaint. He noted that apparently most of the coppers are from an “ outside force , possibly Cheshire ?
Is the police state now out of control one may ask ??
Ends.
Bib's?
Begins:
Yesterday evening I was travelling through Wrexham in the direction of Mold…past the football ground. As it was about 5.30 the roads were extremely busy going out as people leave work I assume .I noticed a massive police presence on the opposite side of the road , the football ground entrance and the Turf pub car park .There was an array of vehicles which included what I term riot type vans , vans and cop cars. I assumed ( wrongly ) that there was a football match on…no it was not in fact it was a vehicle / driver check. The resultant chaos meant a traffic jam past the roundabout leading back towards Gwersyllt.It was particularly busy as people made their way to a pleasant evenings shopping .. some welcome !!
One of our supporters was stopped ( going into town shopping ), an elderly gentleman and his good lady. His car was searched and they found an ornamental truncheon in the boot, he was told it was an offensive weapon. The constable was polite and was about to return it to him when a more senior officer “ grabbed it “. Our supporter protested and requested a receipt , the senior officer ignored him and took it away.. he was told to get on with his journey.
Naturally he feels most upset at this and will with our help lodge a formal complaint. He noted that apparently most of the coppers are from an “ outside force , possibly Cheshire ?
Is the police state now out of control one may ask ??
Ends.
Bib's?
Edited by Tafia on Friday 14th December 18:30
Tafia said:
One of our supporters was stopped ( going into town shopping ), an elderly gentleman and his good lady. His car was searched and they found an ornamental truncheon in the boot, he was told it was an offensive weapon. The constable was polite and was about to return it to him when a more senior officer “ grabbed it “. Our supporter protested and requested a receipt , the senior officer ignored him and took it away.. he was told to get on with his journey.
Naturally he feels most upset at this and will with our help lodge a formal complaint. He noted that apparently most of the coppers are from an “ outside force , possibly Cheshire ?
Is the police state now out of control one may ask ??
Cheshire may be an outside force but they are often working on joint 'campaigns' with Heddlu Gogleddd Cymru. They seem to be outdoing each other in their quest to create an 'us and them' split between public and police.Naturally he feels most upset at this and will with our help lodge a formal complaint. He noted that apparently most of the coppers are from an “ outside force , possibly Cheshire ?
Is the police state now out of control one may ask ??
Edited by Tafia on Friday 14th December 18:30
- StreakyBut why no common sense, only the Ways and Means Act appplied so badly?
Same kind of story as that retired Brigadier at a transport hub, arrested and held in the cells - ultimately accepting a caution - for carrying a manicure kit and small swiss army knife (iirc).
These kinds of action make a mockery of the police and the law and diminish bith in the eyes of reasonable people, those who once saw the police and them as being on the same team.
Once.
Same kind of story as that retired Brigadier at a transport hub, arrested and held in the cells - ultimately accepting a caution - for carrying a manicure kit and small swiss army knife (iirc).
These kinds of action make a mockery of the police and the law and diminish bith in the eyes of reasonable people, those who once saw the police and them as being on the same team.
Once.
turbobloke said:
But why no common sense, only the Ways and Means Act appplied so badly?
Same kind of story as that retired Brigadier at a transport hub, arrested and held in the cells - ultimately accepting a caution - for carrying a manicure kit and small swiss army knife (iirc).
These kinds of action make a mockery of the police and the law and diminish bith in the eyes of reasonable people, those who once saw the police and them as being on the same team.
Once.
Same kind of story as that retired Brigadier at a transport hub, arrested and held in the cells - ultimately accepting a caution - for carrying a manicure kit and small swiss army knife (iirc).
These kinds of action make a mockery of the police and the law and diminish bith in the eyes of reasonable people, those who once saw the police and them as being on the same team.
Once.
A manicure set & a small Swiss army knife aren't illegal unless there is something else to it.
What was the something else ?
vonhosen said:
turbobloke said:
But why no common sense, only the Ways and Means Act appplied so badly?
Same kind of story as that retired Brigadier at a transport hub, arrested and held in the cells - ultimately accepting a caution - for carrying a manicure kit and small swiss army knife (iirc).
These kinds of action make a mockery of the police and the law and diminish bith in the eyes of reasonable people, those who once saw the police and them as being on the same team.
Once.
Same kind of story as that retired Brigadier at a transport hub, arrested and held in the cells - ultimately accepting a caution - for carrying a manicure kit and small swiss army knife (iirc).
These kinds of action make a mockery of the police and the law and diminish bith in the eyes of reasonable people, those who once saw the police and them as being on the same team.
Once.
A manicure set & a small Swiss army knife aren't illegal unless there is something else to it.
What was the something else ?
http://www.fleet-online.co.uk/news/2005/2005728/re...
So what was the something else - can't read anything worrying there, except for the actions of the authorities.
So what was the something else - can't read anything worrying there, except for the actions of the authorities.
vonhosen said:
PottyMouth said:
I'm sorry, but this just doesn't add up. Why on earth does anyone carry a truncheon, ornamental or otherwise, in the boot of their car?!?!
& what's "one of our supporters ?"http://www.properpolicing.org.uk/
vonhosen said:
turbobloke said:
But why no common sense, only the Ways and Means Act appplied so badly?
Same kind of story as that retired Brigadier at a transport hub, arrested and held in the cells - ultimately accepting a caution - for carrying a manicure kit and small swiss army knife (iirc).
These kinds of action make a mockery of the police and the law and diminish bith in the eyes of reasonable people, those who once saw the police and them as being on the same team.
Once.
Same kind of story as that retired Brigadier at a transport hub, arrested and held in the cells - ultimately accepting a caution - for carrying a manicure kit and small swiss army knife (iirc).
These kinds of action make a mockery of the police and the law and diminish bith in the eyes of reasonable people, those who once saw the police and them as being on the same team.
Once.
A manicure set & a small Swiss army knife aren't illegal unless there is something else to it.
What was the something else ?
This was a mass random stop. Can you say what law was being used to do this? It used to be the case that cops must have a reason to suspect that a crime had or was being committed did it not?
Tafia said:
vonhosen said:
turbobloke said:
But why no common sense, only the Ways and Means Act appplied so badly?
Same kind of story as that retired Brigadier at a transport hub, arrested and held in the cells - ultimately accepting a caution - for carrying a manicure kit and small swiss army knife (iirc).
These kinds of action make a mockery of the police and the law and diminish bith in the eyes of reasonable people, those who once saw the police and them as being on the same team.
Once.
Same kind of story as that retired Brigadier at a transport hub, arrested and held in the cells - ultimately accepting a caution - for carrying a manicure kit and small swiss army knife (iirc).
These kinds of action make a mockery of the police and the law and diminish bith in the eyes of reasonable people, those who once saw the police and them as being on the same team.
Once.
A manicure set & a small Swiss army knife aren't illegal unless there is something else to it.
What was the something else ?
This was a mass random stop. Can you say what law was being used to do this? It used to be the case that cops must have a reason to suspect that a crime had or was being committed did it not?
turbobloke said:
http://www.fleet-online.co.uk/news/2005/2005728/re...
So what was the something else - can't read anything worrying there, except for the actions of the authorities.
I would imagine it's because it was a disguised weapon under the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 2002, not a simple pen knife or manicure set.So what was the something else - can't read anything worrying there, except for the actions of the authorities.
Order said:
The Schedule to the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988[2], which specifies offensive weapons for the purposes of section 141 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988, shall be amended by the insertion into paragraph 1 of that Schedule after sub-paragraph (n) the words -
" (o) a disguised knife, that is any knife which has a concealed blade or concealed sharp point and is designed to appear to be an everyday object of a kind commonly carried on the person or in a handbag, briefcase, or other hand luggage (such as a comb, brush, writing instrument, cigarette lighter, key, lipstick or telephone).".
" (o) a disguised knife, that is any knife which has a concealed blade or concealed sharp point and is designed to appear to be an everyday object of a kind commonly carried on the person or in a handbag, briefcase, or other hand luggage (such as a comb, brush, writing instrument, cigarette lighter, key, lipstick or telephone).".
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