Engine conversion Peugeot 205

[hybrid]

Hey
I’d like to know if it’s possible to fit a 4-EFTE (Toyota starlet GT turbo engine) in a Peugeot 205?
Thanks in advance

[Mikey G]

Erm, you could fit anything if you had enough time/money/patience.

I would sudgest more conventional engines though

2.0 litre turbo from a Xantia/405 is the common one to use, a lot more torque than a little jap engine.

Edited by Mikey G on Wednesday 26th December 12:33

[stevieturbo]

As above, anything is possible. But why on earth would you want to put such a small engine in ?

Turbocharge something bigger !!!!

[mdm123]

there are far better engines about than a 4efte out of a starlet, a mi16 would be a start, but if your going to fabricating engine mounts and such a 4efte is not the way to go, you would be far better off with the likes on a Honda b series engine.

[hybrid]

I’m going for a Jap engine mainly because it’s something that has never been done never done before. You know, it’s all about being unique

I’d love to make it RWD but I think I’m asking for too much there.


Which between the B16B and the 20 valve 4AGE will likely be the easier conversion?

Thanks

[Mikey G]

hybrid said:

I’m going for a Jap engine mainly because it’s something that has never been done never done before. You know, it’s all about being unique

I’d love to make it RWD but I think I’m asking for too much there.


Which between the B16B and the 20 valve 4AGE will likely be the easier conversion?

Thanks

Well i know of a 2.2 VTEC in a 309 so its not that unique, and its a much better engine than a little 1.3(?) with a hairdryer.

[mdm123]

well , would go for the b16b. there bomb proof, and simple and easy to work on, 200hp+ out of a starlet requires a lot of work and also generates alot of torque, in a light fwd car torque is not want you want. the b16b on the other hand will produce 200hp+ pretty much out of the box, with a sensible amount of torque. it will rev to 9000rpm reliable.

there was a rwd 205 on ebay this week (Item number: 290192281963) and as you can see a lot of it be fabricated, so a bit of work would be required.

never worked with a 4AGE so i can't comment on it.

[chuntington101]

mdm123 said:

well , would go for the b16b. there bomb proof, and simple and easy to work on, 200hp+ out of a starlet requires a lot of work and also generates alot of torque, in a light fwd car torque is not want you want. the b16b on the other hand will produce 200hp+ pretty much out of the box, with a sensible amount of torque. it will rev to 9000rpm reliable.

there was a rwd 205 on ebay this week (Item number: 290192281963) and as you can see a lot of it be fabricated, so a bit of work would be required.

never worked with a 4AGE so i can't comment on it.

one of the guys that work on PPC runs a 306 with a b16 engine i think (its a 1.8type R engine). runs really well for him.

Chris.

[Marf]

mdm123 said:

the b16b on the other hand will produce 200hp+ pretty much out of the box, with a sensible amount of torque. it will rev to 9000rpm reliable.

A b16b(as found in the EK9 Type R) will not produce 200 out of the box, more like 180ish bhp assuming good condition and the decent fuel octane. They are rated at 185ps in Japan assuming 100 octane fuel.

[Marf]

chuntington101 said:

one of the guys that work on PPC runs a 306 with a b16 engine i think (its a 1.8type R engine). runs really well for him.

Chris.

If its a 1.8 it'll be of the B18x variety.

[stevieturbo]

Just dont try and fit the Honda engine to the Peugeot gearbox....hehe





That could get interesting !!!

[mdm123]

Marf said:

mdm123 said:

the b16b on the other hand will produce 200hp+ pretty much out of the box, with a sensible amount of torque. it will rev to 9000rpm reliable.

A b16b(as found in the EK9 Type R) will not produce 200 out of the box, more like 180ish bhp assuming good condition and the decent fuel octane. They are rated at 185ps in Japan assuming 100 octane fuel.

what i mean is that you don't need to touch the engine, bolt on's will take a b16b well over 200hp.

[Marf]

Bolt on's such as?

[mdm123]

Marf said:

Bolt on's such as?

low pressure forced induction. either a turbo or a supercharger, if your going to the length of constructing new engine mounts and such things throwing a turbo or supercharger onto a b series engine would be to taxing

[stevieturbo]

mdm123 said:

Marf said:

Bolt on's such as?

low pressure forced induction. either a turbo or a supercharger, if your going to the length of constructing new engine mounts and such things throwing a turbo or supercharger onto a b series engine would be to taxing

fabrication skills and tuning skills are 2 very very different things.

[Marf]

To do forced induction well on a b16 the first thing you want to do is ignore the cheap £500 kits on ebay. To do it properly is gonna cost you about 2k in bits by the time you've bought forged rods, pistons, ARP bits, metal gasket, hondata, manifold, turbo etc etc. Ideally the block wants re-lining if you want reliability out of it too.

[hybrid]

Sweet. Im going 4 the B16.
Thanks 4 ur help

[mdm123]

Marf said:

To do forced induction well on a b16 the first thing you want to do is ignore the cheap £500 kits on ebay. To do it properly is gonna cost you about 2k in bits by the time you've bought forged rods, pistons, ARP bits, metal gasket, hondata, manifold, turbo etc etc. Ideally the block wants re-lining if you want reliability out of it too.

if you want over 400hp yes, but for over 200hp, a supercharger off a mini cooper boosting no more that 4 to 5 psi will give you over 200hp with no need to change the internals, been done many a time costing no more than £300 to £400,

[Marf]

Perhaps on a B16a, but I'd be wary of adding even low blow on a B16b given its increased compression ratio over the b16a.

What kind of fuel management would you be expecting to be using on a £400 conversion? Not some dodgy rising rate pressure regulator I'd hope? What about the ignition map?

Theres a hell of a lot more to a reliable forced induction setup on a Honda, £400 IMO would build you a grenade engine.

The old axiom comes to mind:

Cheap, Reliable, Fast. Pick two.

Edited by Marf on Friday 28th December 16:33

[mdm123]

Marf said:

Perhaps on a B16a, but I'd be wary of adding even low blow on a B16b given its increased compression ratio over the b16a.

Edited by Marf on Friday 28th December 16:31

it's still fit to take a small amount of boost, personal i would have started with a b16a and not a b16b

Marf said:

What kind of fuel management would you be expecting to be using on a £400 conversion? Not some dodgy rising rate pressure regulator I'd hope? What about the ignition map?

Edited by Marf on Friday 28th December 16:31

a fuel press reg would do fine, far from ideal, but never the less it will work.

my point is it can be done. so stop trying to tell me it can't or picking holes in, because it been done many a time.

Marf said:

Theres a hell of a lot more to a reliable forced induction setup on a Honda, £400 IMO would build you a grenade engine.

The old axiom comes to mind:

Cheap, Reliable, Fast. Pick two.

Edited by Marf on Friday 28th December 16:33

may well be, but i've seen it manys a time and there still going. as long as you don't go for silly power a honda engine will stand it.

Edited by mdm123 on Friday 28th December 16:46