DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS A 'CRIME'???????
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/new...
"A motorist has been fined for defrosting his car outside his home because he left it unattended with the engine running.
Ken Hardman was given a £30 fixed penalty notice for leaving his engine on to warm up his car during the cold snap in the morning. "
....why is this a crime??????
"A motorist has been fined for defrosting his car outside his home because he left it unattended with the engine running.
Ken Hardman was given a £30 fixed penalty notice for leaving his engine on to warm up his car during the cold snap in the morning. "
....why is this a crime??????
ing pathetic.Moose1978 said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/new...
"A motorist has been fined for defrosting his car outside his home because he left it unattended with the engine running.
Ken Hardman was given a £30 fixed penalty notice for leaving his engine on to warm up his car during the cold snap in the morning. "
....why is this a crime??????
Would love to have seen a TV interview:"A motorist has been fined for defrosting his car outside his home because he left it unattended with the engine running.
Ken Hardman was given a £30 fixed penalty notice for leaving his engine on to warm up his car during the cold snap in the morning. "
....why is this a crime??????
"Do you feel like this is going to far Ken Hardman?"
"Is legislation in the UK getting too far Ken hard man?"
Edited by 308mate on Friday 28th December 18:02
Moose1978 said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/new...
"A motorist has been fined for defrosting his car outside his home because he left it unattended with the engine running.
Ken Hardman was given a £30 fixed penalty notice for leaving his engine on to warm up his car during the cold snap in the morning. "
....why is this a crime??????
'Operation Cold Start'"A motorist has been fined for defrosting his car outside his home because he left it unattended with the engine running.
Ken Hardman was given a £30 fixed penalty notice for leaving his engine on to warm up his car during the cold snap in the morning. "
....why is this a crime??????
and
"He was prosecuted under the Road Traffic Act offence of 'quitting' which is when a person leaves their vehicle's engine running while they are not in it. "
All in the article
HTH.
308mate said:
Moose1978 said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/new...
"A motorist has been fined for defrosting his car outside his home because he left it unattended with the engine running.
Ken Hardman was given a £30 fixed penalty notice for leaving his engine on to warm up his car during the cold snap in the morning. "
....why is this a crime??????
Would love to have seen a TV interview:"A motorist has been fined for defrosting his car outside his home because he left it unattended with the engine running.
Ken Hardman was given a £30 fixed penalty notice for leaving his engine on to warm up his car during the cold snap in the morning. "
....why is this a crime??????
"Do you feel like this is going to far Ken Hardman?"
"Is legislation in the UK getting too far Ken hard man?"
Police spokesperson said:
Inspector Jo Keay, geographic co-ordinator for Copull and Wheeton, said: "As the car was parked on the road unattended and left running with the keys in the ignition the individual was committing an offence of 'quitting'.
"The officer tried to offer words of advice to the individual but the male refused to accept them and so the officer was left with no option but to issue a fixed penalty notice of £30.
Regulation 107(1) of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986."The officer tried to offer words of advice to the individual but the male refused to accept them and so the officer was left with no option but to issue a fixed penalty notice of £30.
Same offence as not setting handbrake effectively when unattended.
Edited by vonhosen on Friday 28th December 18:12
Road Pest said:
Because Police Officers can deliver advice so well at times so as not to antagonise (?) the general public. Not saying all of them, just wondering how the advice may have been delivered.
If you are committing an offence you are not in a position of strength from the outset.It's like saying "I'm not going to accept a caution", oh well charge then.
I remember a fellow student being done for it many years ago when I was at Uni.
£30 fine and no points is hardly the end of the world.
I think the point of the legislation is that you are leaving a large piece of potentially dangerous machinery operational and unattended.
I don't believe the ability to have the engine running with the doors locked is an option available from Mercedes on UK cars. I am guessing he had an aftermarket accessory fitted.
I know that remote start is a common feature on US cars.
pp
£30 fine and no points is hardly the end of the world.
I think the point of the legislation is that you are leaving a large piece of potentially dangerous machinery operational and unattended.
I don't believe the ability to have the engine running with the doors locked is an option available from Mercedes on UK cars. I am guessing he had an aftermarket accessory fitted.
I know that remote start is a common feature on US cars.
pp
Edited by Pickled Piper on Friday 28th December 18:21
It's a car, it has a registration mark, therefore its owner can be traced. Unlike any crime committed by persons unknown. More fool us motorists, eh?
Still, the bloke had fair warning and refused to take advice so maybe, just maybe, the ticket is fair.
I still don't understand why people let their cars defrost themselves from cold - plenty of warm-hot water poured over the windows is far quicker, causes less wear to the cold car engine (it warms up quicker under load than just idling) and is cheaper in fuel (and fines/penalty charges) too...
Still, the bloke had fair warning and refused to take advice so maybe, just maybe, the ticket is fair.
I still don't understand why people let their cars defrost themselves from cold - plenty of warm-hot water poured over the windows is far quicker, causes less wear to the cold car engine (it warms up quicker under load than just idling) and is cheaper in fuel (and fines/penalty charges) too...
Sounds like he should have taken the words of advice...hadn't heard of that offence!
Presumably ok on private land (one's drive for example) and the doors being locked kinda makes it redundant imho as I think the reasons for the law would be to stop others taking your vehicle and causing harm to themselves or others.
wrinx
Presumably ok on private land (one's drive for example) and the doors being locked kinda makes it redundant imho as I think the reasons for the law would be to stop others taking your vehicle and causing harm to themselves or others.
wrinx
2 cars nicked from this police area last week when drivers left them defrosting on the drive! One still not recovered!
Sensible behaviour to leave £15K property unattended and available for anyone else to use?
Indignant when reporting the loss as well
It will be interesting to see the insurance claim form
Sensible behaviour to leave £15K property unattended and available for anyone else to use?
Indignant when reporting the loss as well
It will be interesting to see the insurance claim form
Didn't see any statistics on how many criminals were caught in the excerise, i.e. people actually out to steal cars, which may have provided a balanced view. Or was it purely an awareness exercise?
Just because you have committed an offence doesn't mean you have lost the right to be spoken to in an unreasonable manner or antagonised. Again, not that I am saying that the police in the story were speaking to the man unreasonably. The fact is the guy's car was locked and a window would have had to have been smashed for it to be stolen. Taking this into account and he was very close to the car, the car was much safer than if the doors were left open.
I am aware what the law is, as I have read the article. If awareness leaflets didn't work (were they tried?), then if this is a big enough problem for a concerted effort to be made by the Police maybe somone should check to make sure the law is suitably up-to-date?
Just because you have committed an offence doesn't mean you have lost the right to be spoken to in an unreasonable manner or antagonised. Again, not that I am saying that the police in the story were speaking to the man unreasonably. The fact is the guy's car was locked and a window would have had to have been smashed for it to be stolen. Taking this into account and he was very close to the car, the car was much safer than if the doors were left open.
I am aware what the law is, as I have read the article. If awareness leaflets didn't work (were they tried?), then if this is a big enough problem for a concerted effort to be made by the Police maybe somone should check to make sure the law is suitably up-to-date?
Edited by Road Pest on Friday 28th December 18:32
vonhosen said:
Police spokesperson said:
Inspector Jo Keay, geographic co-ordinator for Copull and Wheeton, said: "As the car was parked on the road unattended and left running with the keys in the ignition the individual was committing an offence of 'quitting'.
"The officer tried to offer words of advice to the individual but the male refused to accept them and so the officer was left with no option but to issue a fixed penalty notice of £30.
Regulation 107(1) of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986."The officer tried to offer words of advice to the individual but the male refused to accept them and so the officer was left with no option but to issue a fixed penalty notice of £30.
Same offence as not setting handbrake effectively when unattended.
Seems there a lots of things that people do which break the laws as enacted by this power crazed dictatorial government we have.
Is is "necessary" in this context to warm up your engine AT ALL, never mind defrost the car. Legal jobsworths would probably say no, and issue a ticket.
vonhosen said:
Road Pest said:
Because Police Officers can deliver advice so well at times so as not to antagonise (?) the general public. Not saying all of them, just wondering how the advice may have been delivered.
If you are committing an offence you are not in a position of strength from the outset.It's like saying "I'm not going to accept a caution", oh well charge then.
From the sound of it the chaps car was parked safely, and the doors/windows closed and locked.
Granted it's easy to say "Ah but what if" on the basis it may not take a car thief long to prize open the door, but if you go down that road you may as well make it a criminal offence to leave your car keys within line of sight and a fishing poles reach of the letterbox.
It seems a case of £30 gained, trust and goodwill of MOP probably lost for a bloody long time, if not permanently.
As an aside, doesn't a caution stay on some sort of record where the FPN is basically a "pay it forget it? i.e. you're arguably better off taking the FPN than the "words of advice" that were offered?
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