Newbie - Hello,,, and help!!
Newbie - Hello,,, and help!!
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BIIOAB

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983 posts

291 months

Saturday 29th December 2007
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Well folks I'm finally here - after a couple of years of 'should I - Shouldnt I...' I finally jumped from a Griff to a Cerb 4.2.
Its a beautiful car and was checked and serviced by a good Indy in Blackpool before I picked it up.
It was running fine when I picked it up. but on the way home to Scotland I had to drive in torrential rain for a few hours and some issues developed during it.
First I noticed the mileometer had stopped working, then the MIL light came on (related?).
I stopped for fuel and fiddled around, and when I restarted the mileometer worked again, but the MIL light still came on, though went off above 3000RPM.
I plodded on home through the wet weather, but the car began to run rough at lower revs and became horrible to drive as it suddenly went from spluttering at low revs to full power over 3000!!
When I got home, I got the hair dryer out and dried the visible wiring in the engine bay, but took it a run today, and its not behaving well at all at low revs, even cutting out occasionally on tick-over. The MIL light is still on until it fires properly at 3000.
I'm not near to any TVR garages, has anyone got any suggestions on what I should try? - I'm REASONABLY handy with a spanner if explained in idiotproof language - had a few TVRs, but this is a new beast to me - hope its worth it...

Tanguero

4,535 posts

231 months

Saturday 29th December 2007
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Check the ECU in the passenger footwell for water ingress. There is a fibreglass panel covered with carpet that will pull out from the bottom once you take the floormat out. The ECU is behind that. Wild guess would be that water has got into the connector - it is a favorite place for leaks.

On mine, water would creep in through the grommet where the heater hoses run through to the engine bay. It would trckle along the hoses then onto the ECU.

Byker28i

92,166 posts

247 months

Saturday 29th December 2007
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Have a look in my profile, then download the diagnostic software and see what the MIL light is telling you...

THE BIG DOG

638 posts

235 months

Saturday 29th December 2007
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Sounds like it maybe the lambda sensors.
Best thing is to hook the car to the laptop and see what readings you got.

Edited by THE BIG DOG on Saturday 29th December 18:23

amazon

3,704 posts

241 months

Saturday 29th December 2007
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I had very similar sounding problems during severe rain in the summer wink I did as someone else has suggested here and burrowed into the passenger footwell and dug out the ECU - when I unplugged it - water ran out! eek.

Removed the cover and bought it indoors for a few days and let the air dry it out.

A 'friend' climbed into the footwell and I poured water into the engine bay (carefully!) and we found water coming in through the 'gromits', so after lots and lots of silcon - the problem seems to be solved.

Not sure if this will help you, but if you don't have the software handy to plug the car in, you may find the above a easy check??

Good luck.

smile

Gazzab

21,658 posts

312 months

Saturday 29th December 2007
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Deffo sounds like water on your ECU or possibly cracked coil pack(s).

BIIOAB

Original Poster:

983 posts

291 months

Sunday 30th December 2007
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Byker28i said:
Have a look in my profile, then download the diagnostic software and see what the MIL light is telling you...
I've checked the footwell area and it all appears bone dry - can you explain the computer diagnostic process a wee bit more please (in computer numpt-yish speak please?)
I've got a lap-top, but could use some tips on how to do this for the first time...

Thanks

mikesr

672 posts

261 months

Sunday 30th December 2007
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BIIOAB said:
I've checked the footwell area and it all appears bone dry
Did you unplug the ECU?

When I had water problems with the ECU after a torrential downpour the footwell was dry and everything looked OK until I unplugged the ECU.
I had the infamous water in the connector which plays havoc with all the sensor inputs. The water was getting inside the wrapping of the harness and then running down inside.

Its a good idea to mount the ECU with the connector pointing down with the harness looping up to it.

If you want to go belt and braces carefully cut a slit in the harness covering at the lowest point of the loop. That way if any water does get into the harness it will drain away - admittedly into the footwell but then at least you know there is water getting in.

BIIOAB

Original Poster:

983 posts

291 months

Sunday 30th December 2007
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mikesr said:
BIIOAB said:
I've checked the footwell area and it all appears bone dry
Its a good idea to mount the ECU with the connector pointing down with the harness looping up to it.
The ECU is mounted as you describe off the floor, and 'appears' unscathed - is there a method to unplugging it? (dont want to force/damage anything!)

Diagnostic procedure Dave? - anyone?

mikesr

672 posts

261 months

Sunday 30th December 2007
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There is a metal lever on the plug that pulls up to release it.

Using the diagnostics software is described in section G of the pdf manual available from byker28i here


BIIOAB

Original Poster:

983 posts

291 months

Monday 31st December 2007
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Thanks Mike - its just that the info on Daves web-site assumes i know where to start... paperbag

mikesr

672 posts

261 months

Monday 31st December 2007
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The wording in the file "Section G Engine.pdf" is pretty good.

Its the first section.

Don't worry about all the disconnecting throttle rods etc

Start on page 5 at number 7 "Ensure the computer is fully charged.... blah blah

Your profile pic looks like an older model so hopefully you have an ECU with the 9 pin socket inside
(If it doesn't then it will have a 3 pin flying lead and you will need to buy an ECU lead (Clever Trevor has them IIRC) Note there will be a 2 pin flying lead that is a simplistic diagnostic port. You need to get the lid off teh ECU to check if it has the 9 pin connector)

Assuming it has the 9 pin connector inside all you need is a null modem cable.
(There is a diagram of a mapping lead floating about that shows some resistors on the ECU end but this isn't essential)

Lid off ECU and connect up the laptop

Immobiliser off and ignition on (ie buzzer sounding) but no need to start the engine

Fire up the software and it should detect the ECU

Use page up/down to show the other pages - especially the logged and current faults

Do a search on this forum if you have hassle with getting it to connect - lots of good advice on what to tweak on the laptop

The readme txt files with the software describe what the various faults mean and possible causes.

HTH

BIIOAB

Original Poster:

983 posts

291 months

Monday 31st December 2007
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Can't seem to access the files banghead - beginning to regret this already...

BIIOAB

Original Poster:

983 posts

291 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2008
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mikesr said:
Your profile pic looks like an older model so hopefully you have an ECU with the 9 pin socket inside
(If it doesn't then it will have a 3 pin flying lead and you will need to buy an ECU lead (Clever Trevor has them IIRC) Note there will be a 2 pin flying lead that is a simplistic diagnostic port. You need to get the lid off teh ECU to check if it has the 9 pin connector)
I see the 2 pin flying lead, and theres another slightly thicker one disappears behind the dash but cant see where it goes to - does this sound like a lead to a diagnostic connection, and where might it be (not obvious)???

Gazzab

21,658 posts

312 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2008
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Unscrew the ECU case.