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There's a battle being fought over on MR2OC over which can corner faster - the N/a or Turbo MR2.
A lot of the n/a guys insist they're faster on a corner because they don't need to worry about a surge of boost throwing them into a hedge. I (and virtually all the turbo owners) think differently. We have limited slip diffs to deal with that sort of thing.
The over-riding point is to decide which could get down a twisty country lane faster.
Anyone on here care to throw in their 2p?
A lot of the n/a guys insist they're faster on a corner because they don't need to worry about a surge of boost throwing them into a hedge. I (and virtually all the turbo owners) think differently. We have limited slip diffs to deal with that sort of thing.
The over-riding point is to decide which could get down a twisty country lane faster.
Anyone on here care to throw in their 2p?
Blue Meanie said:
They are essentially the same car, so given reletively similar suspension setups they should corner pretty similarly. The only benefit to the turbo is when you can actually plant your foot. Having a turbo will not give you more grip. I know, I've had both NA and Turbo.
I've been wondering about that though. Most turbos have the limited slipp diff. Will that affect the grip at all? (genuine question, I don't have a clue).I would have thought it'd let you apply the power coming off the apex sooner - so helpful on the b-road - but not actually increase apex speed at all unless you were on the power all the way round.
Gazboy said:
I'm interested as to why the N/A owners think the throttle pedal on a Turbo is binary- imo that is more telling than anything else.
Indeed. I can get that bit more power for better turn-in and also when I'm ready to exit I can feed a bit more power above everything that the N/A engine would have been able to muster up.The LSD will help to a point, but at the point of slippage the lsd will 'spin' giving ou a tail slide, where as the open will just spin 1 wheel, and keep track at the back, to a point. It's all nanoseconds, and bullcrap to be honest. On the limit is on the limit in both cars, for a given weight, and setup. Remember the NA isn't that much of a slouch, and at cornering speed, the differential between the cars isn't that different to to the point where you put power down.
_Al_ said:
There's a battle being fought over on MR2OC over which can corner faster - the N/a or Turbo MR2.
A lot of the n/a guys insist they're faster on a corner because they don't need to worry about a surge of boost throwing them into a hedge. I (and virtually all the turbo owners) think differently. We have limited slip diffs to deal with that sort of thing.
The over-riding point is to decide which could get down a twisty country lane faster.
Anyone on here care to throw in their 2p?
Owned both.A lot of the n/a guys insist they're faster on a corner because they don't need to worry about a surge of boost throwing them into a hedge. I (and virtually all the turbo owners) think differently. We have limited slip diffs to deal with that sort of thing.
The over-riding point is to decide which could get down a twisty country lane faster.
Anyone on here care to throw in their 2p?
Turbo, the LSD allows you to put the power down out of bends sooner and it also aids braking approaching corners (keeps you straight).
N/A will be faster round bends with a crap driver as they don't have to worry about the torque throwing them off the road
, foot down and not enough power to be an issue in the dry.Blue Meanie said:
It will outhandle the MKII cars, that is for sure, however, remember the MkII is a lot faster in a straight line, and not 'that' behind in the corners, so it would be a close thing. Also remember the ethos behind both cars is different.
Very true, its all a matter of what type of road it is really and i dont think they were talking about the mark 3 anyway. I just like to talk it up every chance i get since i love them so much
Gazboy said:
Blue Meanie said:
It will outhandle the MKII cars, that is for sure, however, remember the MkII is a lot faster in a straight line, and not 'that' behind in the corners, so it would be a close thing. Also remember the ethos behind both cars is different.
It depends how handling is defined, are we talking general ability or feedback? Some people confuse grip with handling- a Viper has immense grip but from what I've been told aren't communicative or friendly on the limit- the exact opposite of an MX5.Handling & pace do not necessarily go hand in hand.
I know its not a comparison to the Mark 2, and i dont want to sound like im defending the car because it has its downsides, but its Tiff Nedells choice out of the modern roadsters in terms of handling and all round ability, and the man does seem to know his stuff.
It would be an interesting scrap 
someone would need to transport their car to the other side of the world though..I'm in Aus.
I havent driven an SW20 N/A or tubby but I am on my 2nd AW11 Supercharged.
The one I have now has a few tweaks to it:
Koni adjustables
Eibach springs
Whiteline adjustable anti-roll bars
Full bush kit
Slotted brake discs
Braided brake lines
Cusco 'Powerball' exhaust system in to a 2.5" system
'SC14' Supercharger conversion
TRD Valve springs
Wade 267 exhaust cam
Adjustable cam gears
Water-Air intercooler (Even on a 38deg day day the intercooler stays cold to the touch)
Electric Water Pump
Rebuilt 'box with SW20 synchro's
KAAZ LSD (Bitey )
Exedy heavy duty clutch
EMS aftermarket ECU
Oh and the final and most important modification: A blown headgasket
thats going to be a pain in the arse to do!
Its not been on the dyno yet but a friend has got similar mods and puts down 180BHP at the wheels. I think mine needs a decent tune and the cam gears tweaking as the previous owner did it all himself. Torque is definately increased over a stock one though.
I guess comparing modified cars is pretty pointless but I think cornering speeds and braking distances would compare if not exceed those of an SW20. I would think mine would outrun an SW20 N/A? Not sure about a tubby though..
someone would need to transport their car to the other side of the world though..I'm in Aus.I havent driven an SW20 N/A or tubby but I am on my 2nd AW11 Supercharged.
The one I have now has a few tweaks to it:
Koni adjustables
Eibach springs
Whiteline adjustable anti-roll bars
Full bush kit
Slotted brake discs
Braided brake lines
Cusco 'Powerball' exhaust system in to a 2.5" system
'SC14' Supercharger conversion
TRD Valve springs
Wade 267 exhaust cam
Adjustable cam gears
Water-Air intercooler (Even on a 38deg day day the intercooler stays cold to the touch)
Electric Water Pump
Rebuilt 'box with SW20 synchro's
KAAZ LSD (Bitey
)Exedy heavy duty clutch
EMS aftermarket ECU
Oh and the final and most important modification: A blown headgasket
thats going to be a pain in the arse to do!Its not been on the dyno yet but a friend has got similar mods and puts down 180BHP at the wheels. I think mine needs a decent tune and the cam gears tweaking as the previous owner did it all himself. Torque is definately increased over a stock one though.
I guess comparing modified cars is pretty pointless but I think cornering speeds and braking distances would compare if not exceed those of an SW20. I would think mine would outrun an SW20 N/A? Not sure about a tubby though..
Gazboy said:
Herman Toothrot said:
Gazboy said:
Well I'm afraid I have a Supra with 303 at the wheels... 
and half a ton more weight Mate is selling his Supra if you fancy an upgrade asking £14K 566bhp manual, very sorted car.
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