Brunscum again

[Hooli]

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2...

mobile cameras at night, it might be old news here but i dont recall seeing it.

[alphadog]

Saw a scam van deployed after dark in Loughborough a couple of weeks ago.

Scumbria used to boast about it as well!

Edited by alphadog on Thursday 3rd January 13:28

[Mg6b]

Mark McArthur-Christie said:

, road safety spokesman for the Association of British Drivers, said that North Wales Police were focusing too much on speed.

“It seems to me the more they concentrate on speed the less they concentrate on other significant factors that cause road traffic accidents,” he said.

“Poor observation, driving too close and failing to be aware of hazards are more potent factors than just speed.

So. Take the speed away which is the simplest generic factor to address, when the majority of people on the road are not concentrating on observation, they are too close together and unaware of hazards, the outcomes of their collisions will be less dramatic and traumatic.

He has indicated through his analysis that a large proportion of drivers are mostly incompetent. Take away their speed and they are less dangerous is the message he has not endorsed because it would obviously undermine the support for his organisation from those who hope the ABD are fighting for the cause!

[dougc]

No-one drives at night in North Wales anyway, they're all smashed off their faces on Asprin.

[Big Rod]

Thing about night scameras said:

They were also likely to be carrying passengers and to be driving cheaper than average cars.

Since when was the cost of your car a contributary factor in accidents or KSIs?

Edited by Big Rod on Thursday 3rd January 13:39

[Laird]

Mg6b said:

Take away their speed and they are less dangerous is the message he has not endorsed because it would obviously undermine the support for his organisation from those who hope the ABD are fighting for the cause!

He probably hasn't endorsed it because it would be stupid. It would condone driving around like a pillock and causing mayhem as being perfectly acceptable so long as was done slowly.

Mind you it hasn't made the blindest bit of difference in the last 7 years so why not carry on regardless

[TheGriffalo]

Mg6b said:

Mark McArthur-Christie said:

, road safety spokesman for the Association of British Drivers, said that North Wales Police were focusing too much on speed.

“It seems to me the more they concentrate on speed the less they concentrate on other significant factors that cause road traffic accidents,” he said.

“Poor observation, driving too close and failing to be aware of hazards are more potent factors than just speed.

So. Take the speed away which is the simplest generic factor to address, when the majority of people on the road are not concentrating on observation, they are too close together and unaware of hazards, the outcomes of their collisions will be less dramatic and traumatic.

He has indicated through his analysis that a large proportion of drivers are mostly incompetent. Take away their speed and they are less dangerous is the message he has not endorsed because it would obviously undermine the support for his organisation from those who hope the ABD are fighting for the cause!

If we're using competency as a benchmark is it really fair to include old Dicky Bumsucker?

[deeps]

Mg6b said:

Mark McArthur-Christie said:

, road safety spokesman for the Association of British Drivers, said that North Wales Police were focusing too much on speed.

“It seems to me the more they concentrate on speed the less they concentrate on other significant factors that cause road traffic accidents,” he said.

“Poor observation, driving too close and failing to be aware of hazards are more potent factors than just speed.

So. Take the speed away which is the simplest generic factor to address, when the majority of people on the road are not concentrating on observation, they are too close together and unaware of hazards, the outcomes of their collisions will be less dramatic and traumatic.

He has indicated through his analysis that a large proportion of drivers are mostly incompetent. Take away their speed and they are less dangerous is the message he has not endorsed because it would obviously undermine the support for his organisation from those who hope the ABD are fighting for the cause!

You seem to have forgotten that Scameras are not taking away anyones speed though! They merely catch driver after driver like lambs to the slaughter! If they did as you suggest and took away incompetent drivers speed they wouldn't have anyone to catch to pay their wages, and that is the last thing they want.

[odyssey2200]

Another Nailin the coffin!

[MilnerR]

Mg6b said:

Mark McArthur-Christie said:

, road safety spokesman for the Association of British Drivers, said that North Wales Police were focusing too much on speed.

“It seems to me the more they concentrate on speed the less they concentrate on other significant factors that cause road traffic accidents,” he said.

“Poor observation, driving too close and failing to be aware of hazards are more potent factors than just speed.

So. Take the speed away which is the simplest generic factor to address, when the majority of people on the road are not concentrating on observation, they are too close together and unaware of hazards, the outcomes of their collisions will be less dramatic and traumatic.

He has indicated through his analysis that a large proportion of drivers are mostly incompetent. Take away their speed and they are less dangerous is the message he has not endorsed because it would obviously undermine the support for his organisation from those who hope the ABD are fighting for the cause!

I agree that a lot of drivers are incompetent. In fact i would say that everyone on here (including the BiB) have had some very incompetent moments behind the wheel. The difference between a good and a bad driver is the frequency of incompetent moments. The way to lower accidents is to lower the number of incomeptent moments, the way to do this is through better training of drivers. This is being ignored because the government is trying to put a cheap and cheerfull sticking plaster on the problem with speed cameras.

It's akin to tackling gun crime by prosecuting people for not wearing a bullet-proof jacket!

[DSM2]

"And research used by the Arrive Alive road safety body has also shown 90% of a driver’s reaction depends on vision – which can be severely restricted at night."

Now there's a surprise...........................

Who are these a***holes?

Edited by DSM2 on Thursday 3rd January 14:18

[Big Rod]

MilnerR said:

A load of common sense!

[flemke]

One notes that the article does not say how, whilst they are working in the dark, the camera operators form a "prior opinion" before measuring the speed of the vehicle.

[odyssey2200]

flemke said:

One notes that the article does not say how, whilst they are working in the dark, the camera operators form a "prior opinion" before measuring the speed of the vehicle.

is that still a requirement?

If so how does a gatso form an opinion first?

[Laird]

odyssey2200 said:

flemke said:

One notes that the article does not say how, whilst they are working in the dark, the camera operators form a "prior opinion" before measuring the speed of the vehicle.

is that still a requirement?

If so how does a gatso form an opinion first?

The opinion was first formed by the Partnership when it thought, "lets bung one in here, no corners or obstacles for miles, bound to earn a few bob"

[odyssey2200]

Laird said:

odyssey2200 said:

flemke said:

One notes that the article does not say how, whilst they are working in the dark, the camera operators form a "prior opinion" before measuring the speed of the vehicle.

is that still a requirement?

If so how does a gatso form an opinion first?

The opinion was first formed by the Partnership when it thought, "lets bung one in here, no corners or obstacles for miles, bound to earn a few bob"

Sounds about right!

Last year they opened a new stretch of By-Pass near me.
At the opening ceremony local Plod Vip commented on how straight the road was and that is fhould raise a few bob.

bastards!

[flemke]

odyssey2200 said:

flemke said:

One notes that the article does not say how, whilst they are working in the dark, the camera operators form a "prior opinion" before measuring the speed of the vehicle.

is that still a requirement?

If so how does a gatso form an opinion first?

http://www.pepipoo.com/Hidden_speed_traps.htm

[odyssey2200]

flemke said:

odyssey2200 said:

flemke said:

One notes that the article does not say how, whilst they are working in the dark, the camera operators form a "prior opinion" before measuring the speed of the vehicle.

is that still a requirement?

If so how does a gatso form an opinion first?

http://www.pepipoo.com/Hidden_speed_traps.htm

Thanks But it still doesn't say how a Gatso camera forms the opinion that excess speed is being used.

or did I miss it?

[esselte]

odyssey2200 said:

flemke said:

odyssey2200 said:

flemke said:

One notes that the article does not say how, whilst they are working in the dark, the camera operators form a "prior opinion" before measuring the speed of the vehicle.

is that still a requirement?

If so how does a gatso form an opinion first?

http://www.pepipoo.com/Hidden_speed_traps.htm

Thanks But it still doesn't say how a Gatso camera forms the opinion that excess speed is being used.

or did I miss it?

The radar forms the opinion, the camera verifies it?

[SS2.]

esselte said:

odyssey2200 said:

Thanks But it still doesn't say how a Gatso camera forms the opinion that excess speed is being used.

or did I miss it?

The radar forms the opinion, the camera verifies it?

The radar provides the primary evidence; the photograph of the vehicle covering the timing marks painted onto the road surface provides the secondary (corroborative) evidence.