Problem with Pug remote locking key
Discussion
Fitted a new battery to the key of daughter's V-reg 306 - she complained she had to get close to the car to operate the un/locking - and the remote doesn't work at all now. The spare remote still operates so it isn't anything to do with the car. An ammeter confirmed the old battery was low and the new one is healthy, polarity checked, battery was fresh and only a few seconds elapsed between removal of old one and replacement. Haynes and drivers handbook are no help at all, both refer to two batteries where this key only has one. I'm sure I must have changed it before without any problems.
Is there some ritual to get Pug remotes re-started or is it just knackered?
Is there some ritual to get Pug remotes re-started or is it just knackered?
hora said:
How much did the reprogramming cost you?
Nothing. Just a question of following the procedure (above, provided by MotorFocus) so that the key software talks to the car software. My own Focus has a procedure along the same lines but Ford included it in the handbook whereas Peugeot couldn't be bothered. :Gallicshrug:Incidently, I was wondering if it would be possible to get a new key for my 306. It's a 99 model, but I don't know what that means for the remote central locking.
My problem is that my remote has no buttons on it at all. Rather, it used to, but they appear to have been dug out. I can see the circuit board inside the large button, and much the same for the smaller button. Neither can be 'pressed' as it were.
I'm reduced to making do with 2 keys, one for the doors, and another for the ignition/immobiliser. My 'remote' key fob does not open the doors with the manual locks.
My problem is that my remote has no buttons on it at all. Rather, it used to, but they appear to have been dug out. I can see the circuit board inside the large button, and much the same for the smaller button. Neither can be 'pressed' as it were.
I'm reduced to making do with 2 keys, one for the doors, and another for the ignition/immobiliser. My 'remote' key fob does not open the doors with the manual locks.
How odd! I suppose this is where the driver's handbook says 'consult your local dealer' 
I'm no expert on Pug cntral locking (or Pugs in general for that matter) but it seems to me that if the remote key requires two button-type batteries it is the IR type. If it is a single battery (likely for '99 perhaps?) it is the RF type. Our Pug handbook only covers the older type which is why I started this thread as it was obviously not the same as the key which came with the car.
I'm no expert on Pug cntral locking (or Pugs in general for that matter) but it seems to me that if the remote key requires two button-type batteries it is the IR type. If it is a single battery (likely for '99 perhaps?) it is the RF type. Our Pug handbook only covers the older type which is why I started this thread as it was obviously not the same as the key which came with the car.
With my current 306 i inherited three keys.
- One RF remote locking one, and two non-remote keys.
- The RF key is fine, and used daily, and the other two both unlock the car fine.
However sadly the non RF keys do not start the key. They go into the ignition and will crank it of, but not allow it to start. Presumably as they do not get detected as having a transponder.
Talking to Pug they should work (ie, transponder failed not absent) bt they may 'forget' themselfs if not used for a while and therefore need reprograming. Proberbly.
- This costs £35 from pug, and can only be done on weekdays apprently, due to having to access pug central whatsit.
- However if the transponder is borken, wont work, and theres no refund. A new key is £100odd and then needs rpograming.
Doesnt anyone know any way around this? £35 is a lot for "might work". If neather work thats like £200 (35 once, 35 again, new key for 100, then 35 prog)
I also have two spare RF keys from a old (now scraped) car, which people on the pug306 forums seam to think can be reprogramed to be used on another car using the above method (keys are unique, car learns the key). Ie someone who lost/broken one.
- However pug state this wont work?? Or is it just the transponder (ie, could use one the have, placed into the RF key?)
Daniel
- One RF remote locking one, and two non-remote keys.
- The RF key is fine, and used daily, and the other two both unlock the car fine.
However sadly the non RF keys do not start the key. They go into the ignition and will crank it of, but not allow it to start. Presumably as they do not get detected as having a transponder.
Talking to Pug they should work (ie, transponder failed not absent) bt they may 'forget' themselfs if not used for a while and therefore need reprograming. Proberbly.
- This costs £35 from pug, and can only be done on weekdays apprently, due to having to access pug central whatsit.
- However if the transponder is borken, wont work, and theres no refund. A new key is £100odd and then needs rpograming.
Doesnt anyone know any way around this? £35 is a lot for "might work". If neather work thats like £200 (35 once, 35 again, new key for 100, then 35 prog)
I also have two spare RF keys from a old (now scraped) car, which people on the pug306 forums seam to think can be reprogramed to be used on another car using the above method (keys are unique, car learns the key). Ie someone who lost/broken one.
- However pug state this wont work?? Or is it just the transponder (ie, could use one the have, placed into the RF key?)
Daniel
dhutch said:
With my current 306 i inherited three keys.
- One RF remote locking one, and two non-remote keys.
- The RF key is fine, and used daily, and the other two both unlock the car fine.
However sadly the non RF keys do not start the key. They go into the ignition and will crank it of, but not allow it to start. Presumably as they do not get detected as having a transponder.
Talking to Pug they should work (ie, transponder failed not absent) bt they may 'forget' themselfs if not used for a while and therefore need reprograming. Proberbly.
- This costs £35 from pug, and can only be done on weekdays apprently, due to having to access pug central whatsit.
- However if the transponder is borken, wont work, and theres no refund. A new key is £100odd and then needs rpograming.
Doesnt anyone know any way around this? £35 is a lot for "might work". If neather work thats like £200 (35 once, 35 again, new key for 100, then 35 prog)
I also have two spare RF keys from a old (now scraped) car, which people on the pug306 forums seam to think can be reprogramed to be used on another car using the above method (keys are unique, car learns the key). Ie someone who lost/broken one.
- However pug state this wont work?? Or is it just the transponder (ie, could use one the have, placed into the RF key?)
Daniel
When you used the non-remote keys in the ignition you must have unlocked the car first. Which type of key (remote or not) did you use to unlock the car?- One RF remote locking one, and two non-remote keys.
- The RF key is fine, and used daily, and the other two both unlock the car fine.
However sadly the non RF keys do not start the key. They go into the ignition and will crank it of, but not allow it to start. Presumably as they do not get detected as having a transponder.
Talking to Pug they should work (ie, transponder failed not absent) bt they may 'forget' themselfs if not used for a while and therefore need reprograming. Proberbly.
- This costs £35 from pug, and can only be done on weekdays apprently, due to having to access pug central whatsit.
- However if the transponder is borken, wont work, and theres no refund. A new key is £100odd and then needs rpograming.
Doesnt anyone know any way around this? £35 is a lot for "might work". If neather work thats like £200 (35 once, 35 again, new key for 100, then 35 prog)
I also have two spare RF keys from a old (now scraped) car, which people on the pug306 forums seam to think can be reprogramed to be used on another car using the above method (keys are unique, car learns the key). Ie someone who lost/broken one.
- However pug state this wont work?? Or is it just the transponder (ie, could use one the have, placed into the RF key?)
Daniel
If you unlock the car with the remote and then stick the non-remote in the ignition the immobiliser will say 'eff off - that's a different type of key, I'm not interested'. I had that experience (without the vocals!).
If you unlock the car with the non-remote then put it in the ignition you should find that the mighty engine springs to life. My Focus is similarly choosy about using the same type of key for doors and ignition. Doesn't have to be the same key AFAIK, just the same type to keep the immobiliser happy. Same applies when re-locking the car. Obviously the non-remote must have been supplied with the car originally, or paired to it.
ETA minor changes.
Edited by Dogwatch on Saturday 7th June 09:34
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