RE: Community Officers Get Speed Guns
Wednesday 9th January 2008
Community police officers are to be armed with speed guns in North Wales in a bid to crack down on speeding drivers.
Community Officers Get Speed Guns
Speed guns to be handed out to community police officers in Wales
Hundreds of uniformed Community Support Officers and community beat officers have been given hand-held devices to step up the war on speeding.
The beat officers are said to have been given the same power as traffic officers after being trained to use the devises.
The trained officers would be able to hand out a Section 59 order to bad drivers, meaning their car could be seized if they break the rules again.
If the scheme is successful there is a good chance other police forces will look to bring in the same measures.
Officers are expected to be deployed in problem areas such as outside schools and on 30mph roads.
On-the-spot speeding fines handed out by community officers will come with the same penalties as a speeding fine handed out by a traffic officer.
Community Sgt Emlyn Hughes said: 'Local community officers can now form part of the solution by tackling speeding problems in their area.
'In the past the use of hand held speed detection devices has been specifically for RPU officers, but with the assistance of the Arrive Alive Casualty Reduction Partnership we have trained and equipped local officers across North Wales.'
Discussion
And the intelligence of yesterday's rejected 50mph speeding article has been completely lost with this idiocy...
Tell you what, why not give the speed-retards shotguns so they can shoot victims at the side of the road as well....
Absolutely
en pathetic... and to think we pay for it as well!!
Tell you what, why not give the speed-retards shotguns so they can shoot victims at the side of the road as well....
Absolutely
en pathetic... and to think we pay for it as well!! Hold on there folks,
I can't see CSO's getting much outside of builtup areas and hiding in bushes to be honest. If they do police areas outside schools and in 30mph residential areas. I say that's fair game as you/we should be speeding in those areas anyway. That dear boy, is just plan stupid.
However - if we start seeing these kinder-cops hiding in bushes down country lanes and duel carrage ways, enforcing the governments new stealth tax incentive. Then im going to get upset.
To be honest, the welsh police force has always been a bit "heavy handed" anyways. Sounds to me like a storm in a teacup.
I can't see CSO's getting much outside of builtup areas and hiding in bushes to be honest. If they do police areas outside schools and in 30mph residential areas. I say that's fair game as you/we should be speeding in those areas anyway. That dear boy, is just plan stupid.
However - if we start seeing these kinder-cops hiding in bushes down country lanes and duel carrage ways, enforcing the governments new stealth tax incentive. Then im going to get upset.
To be honest, the welsh police force has always been a bit "heavy handed" anyways. Sounds to me like a storm in a teacup.
Put yourself in the shoes of a Community Police Officer - Hunt down some ASBO kids or potentially violent criminal situation, or stand in the road with the ability to hand out speeding fines and points because someone is slightly over the speed limit, but not generally going to be causing you any concern for your welfare when you stop them. Because they are both deemed to be dealing with law breakers, you would obviously choose to do the least harmful to your health.
Can you imagine the fight over the control of the speed gun in the Police Station each day while true crimnals get off scott free!?
Soon they'll be giving the radar guns and ticketing out as Community Service punishment for the ASBO kids just to be sure that they don't get any chance for being in harm's way!
Can you imagine the fight over the control of the speed gun in the Police Station each day while true crimnals get off scott free!?
Soon they'll be giving the radar guns and ticketing out as Community Service punishment for the ASBO kids just to be sure that they don't get any chance for being in harm's way!
Edited by bridgland on Wednesday 9th January 11:25
Burgmeister said:
If anyone challenges any of these fines in court im sure they will win. Asking one of these officers about slip etc would be a complete joke.
Thats why they can't hand out speeding tickets, as they can't form the expert opinion needed of speed in order to use the device in the first place. They seem to get around this however by issuing S59 notices instead...Its all about spin and satisfying the local busybodies. Note the spin section about 'outside schools'?
Thats going to be really useful when the Community Offer who doesn't start his shift until 6pm isn't it!
why are they trying to turn retards into judge dredd?
those sad wannabe do gooders cannot do any policing, does anyone remember how two of them tw*ts stood by while a young boy drowned whilst saving his baby sister in a lake/pond their excuse was 'we're not trained for getting into water' f*cking b*st*rds.
This sh*tty country is always screwing the motorist I don't know how much more I can take before putting my fist through some sarcastic coppers face. The law seems to think all its coppers are like robots with high morals, respect, honesty etc. most of the ones I have dealt with are petty, jealous, egotistical self-righteous and small minded ar*eholes.
and know they will unleash more tw*ts upon us, mercy.
those sad wannabe do gooders cannot do any policing, does anyone remember how two of them tw*ts stood by while a young boy drowned whilst saving his baby sister in a lake/pond their excuse was 'we're not trained for getting into water' f*cking b*st*rds.
This sh*tty country is always screwing the motorist I don't know how much more I can take before putting my fist through some sarcastic coppers face. The law seems to think all its coppers are like robots with high morals, respect, honesty etc. most of the ones I have dealt with are petty, jealous, egotistical self-righteous and small minded ar*eholes.
and know they will unleash more tw*ts upon us, mercy.
JustinP1 said:
Burgmeister said:
If anyone challenges any of these fines in court im sure they will win. Asking one of these officers about slip etc would be a complete joke.
Thats why they can't hand out speeding tickets, as they can't form the expert opinion needed of speed in order to use the device in the first place. They seem to get around this however by issuing S59 notices instead...Its all about spin and satisfying the local busybodies. Note the spin section about 'outside schools'?
Thats going to be really useful when the Community Offer who doesn't start his shift until 6pm isn't it!
Not a problem for me, if they are used outside potential danger areas were there's no excuse for driving over the speed limit(and sometimes no excuse even for doing the speed limit) such as schools at kicking-out time.
I'd prefer to see them if they use common sense while zapping folk, instead of a fixed camera that just issues a ticket regardless of circumstance.
That is two mighty big 'if's though.
What is worrying is the "if you break the rules again" bit. Two strikes and you're out and your car is off to the crusher. Seems like a system quite open to corruption that someone that didn't like the big noisy polluting cerbera (for an example!) down the street. But if they sign up as a PCSO they could be rid of the car permanently, your word against theirs.
I'd prefer to see them if they use common sense while zapping folk, instead of a fixed camera that just issues a ticket regardless of circumstance.
That is two mighty big 'if's though.
What is worrying is the "if you break the rules again" bit. Two strikes and you're out and your car is off to the crusher. Seems like a system quite open to corruption that someone that didn't like the big noisy polluting cerbera (for an example!) down the street. But if they sign up as a PCSO they could be rid of the car permanently, your word against theirs.
CPO=someone not able to become proper copper, but marginally brighter than a traffic warden. But remember they are cheaper to run than the real thing. They are worthless in fighting real crime. As one senior copper said "they wander round like groups of lost shoppers" So find them a job, in which the accused is guilty, from the start, in the eyes of the state.
bridgland said:
Put yourself in the shoes of a Community Police Officer - Hunt down some ASBO kids or potentially violent criminal situation, or stand in the road with the ability to hand out speeding fines and points because someone is slightly over the speed limit, but not generally going to be causing you any concern for your welfare when you stop them. Because they are both deemed to be dealing with law breakers, you would obviously choose to do the least harmful to your health.
Can you imagine the fight over the control of the speed gun in the Police Station each day while true crimnals get off scott free!?
Soon they'll be giving the radar guns and ticketing out as Community Service punishment for the ASBO kids just to be sure that they don't get any chance for being in harm's way!
well if they can't fight proper crime then the b*st*rds shouldn't have signed up for it should they, F*cking hate busy bodies.Can you imagine the fight over the control of the speed gun in the Police Station each day while true crimnals get off scott free!?
Soon they'll be giving the radar guns and ticketing out as Community Service punishment for the ASBO kids just to be sure that they don't get any chance for being in harm's way!
Edited by bridgland on Wednesday 9th January 11:25
Edited by Raging Demon on Wednesday 9th January 11:57
Raging Demon said:
JustinP1 said:
Burgmeister said:
If anyone challenges any of these fines in court im sure they will win. Asking one of these officers about slip etc would be a complete joke.
Thats why they can't hand out speeding tickets, as they can't form the expert opinion needed of speed in order to use the device in the first place. They seem to get around this however by issuing S59 notices instead...Its all about spin and satisfying the local busybodies. Note the spin section about 'outside schools'?
Thats going to be really useful when the Community Offer who doesn't start his shift until 6pm isn't it!
Of course, if there were accidents happening outside a school this would give them more than enough ammo to put a fixed camera there!
Through my job I drive to a lot of schools, and I honestly cannot remember a speed camera outside a school. I have seen them on the roads leading up to school, but I also think that may be a co-incidence as this is usually the start of a 30mph area anyway - and sometimes also sneakily on a hill...
I would suggest that the majority of accidents with school children are caused by the poor road awareness or just general cockyness of the children involved rather than a speeding car careering off the road.
There is a secondary school close to me and at kicking out time when I drive past I often have to 'overtake' pupils as the footpath isnt hugely wide so they think it is best to walk three abreast back to the traffic, with the third person walking over the double yellow lines in the road! On this same stretch I have had to perform an emergency stop - from 20 mph I might add - as a schoolkid chose to cross this pretty long road not only on the crest of the only blind corner but also looking in the opposite direction!
I have also been in the car with my other half driving where a cocky kid literally walked out in front of the car with his hand out causing the line of traffic to stop so he could stroll across the road...
You could say this was an accident waiting to happen, but I believe at this same school a kid was run over outside school a few years back.
Maybe if the police dont have the time to educate these kids then maybe the CSOs should do it and chuck the hairdryers away!
Bizzle said:
Hold on there folks,
I can't see CSO's getting much outside of builtup areas and hiding in bushes to be honest. If they do police areas outside schools and in 30mph residential areas. I say that's fair game as you/we should be speeding in those areas anyway. That dear boy, is just plan stupid.
However - if we start seeing these kinder-cops hiding in bushes down country lanes and duel carrage ways, enforcing the governments new stealth tax incentive. Then im going to get upset.
To be honest, the welsh police force has always been a bit "heavy handed" anyways. Sounds to me like a storm in a teacup.
I would have to agree with what you say.I can't see CSO's getting much outside of builtup areas and hiding in bushes to be honest. If they do police areas outside schools and in 30mph residential areas. I say that's fair game as you/we should be speeding in those areas anyway. That dear boy, is just plan stupid.
However - if we start seeing these kinder-cops hiding in bushes down country lanes and duel carrage ways, enforcing the governments new stealth tax incentive. Then im going to get upset.
To be honest, the welsh police force has always been a bit "heavy handed" anyways. Sounds to me like a storm in a teacup.
I have a question though - I though that when using these hand held speed detection devices that there had to be two police offices (I know these Comie officers) to witness the speeding event otherwise it is not a valid piece of evidence?
And I would also have ask, would they not have to ready watiting/setup in place to be able to catch a speeding vehicle - I can't believe that the community officers who will likely have the speed detector in a holster and would be quick enough to do a john wayne style "draw" and accurately catch anyone speedig?!?
Just seems like madness, and besides I though these community offices were busy being ineffective with other duties or is policing louts after hours to taxing now... (and I don't mean to be offensive any officers who may be doing a good job)
Edited by eLSerbera on Wednesday 9th January 11:59
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