MOT failure - Outriggers
MOT failure - Outriggers
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.Woody

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1,790 posts

257 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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Happy New Year folks! rolleyes
Only just back off my holiday yesterday, first job I had to do was to take the wedge in for a service and MOT at APM. Andy's just called me to tell me it failed its MOT mainly due to excessive corrosion on the outriggers, and its a body up job. He doesnt touch the wedge chassis anymore and only knows of RT or Peninsula who may help. Does anyone know somewhere a bit closer to Hampshire?
Not sure if the price of this job may also be worth the value of the car frown

Cheers
Woody

TVRleigh_BBWR

6,553 posts

243 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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Could you not DIY.

GV

2,366 posts

254 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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Relax....

1. It's not a body off job - there's a few of us - me included that have changed their outriggers with body on.

2. The replacement tubular mild steel is relatively cheap to buy and can be cut to length along with the body mounting plates. You just need to find where to buy it. Most fabricators will have some in stock if not it can be ordered.

3. If you are able to chop off the old outriggers before cleaning up the remaining steel - the replacement parts can be welded in by a mobile welding specialist. Make sure you get a few quotes first with a gaurentee of their work once completed.

4. If you decide to go down the DIY route keep the car on level ground, chock the wheels and remember - safety is paramount.

Gandalf

2,381 posts

268 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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Sorry to hear the news about yer riggers matey
(serves you right for swanning of on holiday while the rest of us are at work in my view)
Anyway for what its worth I had Dulford Autos do mine on the 400 last year (much nearer to you than me!) and can only say an absolutely superb (and strong) job was done by Richard and his band - 11/10 if you want the job doing properly I`d give Richard a ring
(But only pay him if he agrees to put on a decent display at BBWF this year) - otherwise take it absolutely anywhere.

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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I think the extra weight of the SEAC rear spoiler has caused the issue. Your model was not designed for it.

Remove it immediately.

hehe

Dave Batty has a local guy would does it .. that's what he told me .. about £600 per side he said (I think..).

adam quantrill

11,679 posts

272 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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GV said:
Relax....

1. It's not a body off job - there's a few of us - me included that have changed their outriggers with body on.
True for a 350i, not so true for a 400SE.

On the 400SE there's a square section tube and no separate sill covers. Rev did his - you might be able to do it easier by chopping off the outrigger-chassis joining tubes about half-way along then fabricating a new outrigger with new tubes and sleeving them into the chopped-off stumps.

Rev - did you manage it without lifing the body?

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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Yep - did not need to lift the body off..

But you do have to make the whole E shaped pieco to fit.. no problem with a few tack welds.

.Woody

Original Poster:

1,790 posts

257 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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Thanks guys, its not a job I could do myself unfortunately, I would not have the confidence for such a big job, and to hope it would pass thru an MOT.
Have you any details of Dave Batty Rev, and where abouts is he?
Cheers
Woody

mikeb

2,869 posts

312 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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You don't have to lift the body unless you are just trying to replace small areas of the outer outrigger tubes where you get into situations where you have to start chopping huge holes in the footwell GRP to gain access to the corners and end up having not enough access to complete the job. You could get away with a partial lift of course.....

If you are doing a proper job however chop the tube half way along the inboard tubes and replace the lot. Also gives you enough room to have half a chance of completing the welds at the top of the tubes.

The other reason to have the job done properly however is that Dulford have a ex-factory jig I believe.......? Other option is to sell the BBW and get a 350i and then get Wedg1e to do the job with the sills off! ;-)

MikeyB

gsx600

2,740 posts

278 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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Rev

I reckon you should offer your services for £300 a side smile

mikeb

2,869 posts

312 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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Got it.

Chop my old ones off my ex-450SE which were fabricated by Dulford using their Jig, get Rev or Wedg1e to make loads of copies (Darren won't mind I am sure) and then get Rev to go around welding them on production line stylee.

Business opportunity for '08 for sure.

Any takers? ;-)

MikeyB


BadRedWedge

3,450 posts

258 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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mikeb said:
(Darren won't mind I am sure)
No problem feel free to cut up my pride and joy 450 anytime you like ... all you have to do is get past me, BadAng and a very savage cat and you can help yourself. biggrin

Any takers ?? hehe

blaineuk

2,615 posts

277 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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mikeb said:
Got it.

Chop my old ones off my ex-450SE which were fabricated by Dulford using their Jig, get Rev or Wedg1e to make loads of copies (Darren won't mind I am sure) and then get Rev to go around welding them on production line stylee.

Business opportunity for '08 for sure.

Any takers? ;-)

MikeyB
the body is off my 400 waiting for out rigger repairs, if any one has the kit/knowledge to do this then you are welcome to use my car as a jig/guinnea pig

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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gsx600 said:
Rev

I reckon you should offer your services for £300 a side smile
No thanks - it's much too hard work..

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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.Woody said:
Thanks guys, its not a job I could do myself unfortunately, I would not have the confidence for such a big job, and to hope it would pass thru an MOT.
Have you any details of Dave Batty Rev, and where abouts is he?
Cheers
Woody
01483 811995
nr Guildford.

rev-erend

21,623 posts

314 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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mikeb said:
Got it.

Chop my old ones off my ex-450SE which were fabricated by Dulford using their Jig, get Rev or Wedg1e to make loads of copies (Darren won't mind I am sure) and then get Rev to go around welding them on production line stylee.

Business opportunity for '08 for sure.

Any takers? ;-)

MikeyB
Mike

I had thought of making out rigger kits but there are just loads of small bits of this and that to be made before any welding can be done ..

All the parts would need ideally to be lazer or water cut before most of it could be welder .. just leaving the main tubes to be tacked then fully welded on..

and in short I could not be bothered to phone around loads of Eng. companies to see if it was worth doing..

Now the Griff and Chim are also falling to bits and are much easier to make.

combine

3,114 posts

259 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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Not sure how you welded the E shape onto the stubs Rev , what did you do about the footwell GRP which sits right on top of said stubs I think ? Hope my outriggers will last a while but may have to do this in the future if they rot from the top !

adam quantrill

11,679 posts

272 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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When welding underneath I find that a nice big sheet of aly in between dissipates heat very effectively, and there is no danger of accidentally welding the whole lot together.

If you wet it down too, the water will boil off taking any extra heat away long before the GRP gets overly hot.

mikeb

2,869 posts

312 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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When I had my lot done it was really worrying how bendy, flexible, lite, flimsy and rotten my outriggers were!! They literally fell to bits.

If some of you guys knew what was under the GRP sills it would turn you're poo white!

MikeyB

combine

3,114 posts

259 months

Wednesday 9th January 2008
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adam quantrill said:
When welding underneath I find that a nice big sheet of aly in between dissipates heat very effectively, and there is no danger of accidentally welding the whole lot together.

If you wet it down too, the water will boil off taking any extra heat away long before the GRP gets overly hot.
Have visions of a very nasty fire under the wedge which would be very difficult to put out !