Sylva Phoenix: Front suspension: Lower links-->Ford?
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thanx for the info. this will help me. mine was built in 1991. yours?
such ones?
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&i...
such ones?
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&i...
Edited by Comadis on Wednesday 9th January 23:59
Edited by Comadis on Thursday 10th January 00:04
bought some rosejointed tca´s from rallydesign.
interestingwise the fixing bolt of the rosejoint is much bigger than the one sylva uses.
the sylva bolt from tca to chassis is something about 10mm, the original ford is a 14mm one.
so sylva used ford-tca´s with a differnt rubber-bush on the chassis side?
interestingwise the fixing bolt of the rosejoint is much bigger than the one sylva uses.
the sylva bolt from tca to chassis is something about 10mm, the original ford is a 14mm one.
so sylva used ford-tca´s with a differnt rubber-bush on the chassis side?
Is the standard (non-Rose jointed) Ford bolt 14mm, though, or has it been increased in size on the Rose jointed item for strength?
Bear in mind that most people will be buying Rose-jointed TCA's for competition use, and most people competing in Escorts will be rallying, where the suspension will take a much greater hammering than road or circuit use, so it would make sense for RallyDesign to have beefed up the components accordingly.
A word of warning if you are going on a Rose jointing spree, Comadis... the rear suspension on a live axle Sylva does not work if fully Rose jointed - the rubber bushes are necessary to give enough compliance for the axle to function correctly in roll.
Bear in mind that most people will be buying Rose-jointed TCA's for competition use, and most people competing in Escorts will be rallying, where the suspension will take a much greater hammering than road or circuit use, so it would make sense for RallyDesign to have beefed up the components accordingly.
A word of warning if you are going on a Rose jointing spree, Comadis... the rear suspension on a live axle Sylva does not work if fully Rose jointed - the rubber bushes are necessary to give enough compliance for the axle to function correctly in roll.
its a 14mm bolt, so i assume this is original ford.
sylva used a 10mm bolt and therefore the rubberbush, pressed into the original tca, must be an aftermarket item.
definately confusing is that the sleeve inside the rubber-bush is 42mm wide (must be the same as ford) but with the rosejoint, incl. spacers i achieve a width of "only" 32mm.
sylva used a 10mm bolt and therefore the rubberbush, pressed into the original tca, must be an aftermarket item.
definately confusing is that the sleeve inside the rubber-bush is 42mm wide (must be the same as ford) but with the rosejoint, incl. spacers i achieve a width of "only" 32mm.
Comadis said:
its a 14mm bolt, so I assume this is original ford.
What makes you think that?Comadis said:
...therefore the rubber bush must be an aftermarket item.
Why must it? As previously stated, Rose joints are likely to have been sized to be robust enough for Rally use. It is far more likely that the Rose joint has the non-standard bolt diameter and the rubber bush used by Sylva is the original Ford part. Certainly, the build manual makes no reference to the need for non-standard bushes in the list of build components.
I don't have access to a Mk. 2 Escort for comparison, but I see no reason why Sylva would have wanted to fit a non-standard bush and bolt.
Commadis said:
definately confusing is that the sleeve inside the rubber-bush is 42mm wide (must be the same as ford) but with the rosejoint, incl. spacers i achieve a width of "only" 32mm.
Spacer washers would be favourite. 
measured wrong: the ford bolt has something around 12,8mm (i think its not metric), also the bolt suplied with the rosejoint has this measurement.
i will check with my ford dealer on tuesday what the correct size must be. but as all the supliers of roesjointed tca´s are advertising these kits as "plug and play" i guess they didnt change any measurements.
i also spoke to some escort-owners who fitted the same kit. they confirmed that the original ford-bolt has the same dimension as the one suplied with the kit.
i will check with my ford dealer on tuesday what the correct size must be. but as all the supliers of roesjointed tca´s are advertising these kits as "plug and play" i guess they didnt change any measurements.
i also spoke to some escort-owners who fitted the same kit. they confirmed that the original ford-bolt has the same dimension as the one suplied with the kit.
To be honest, 1/2" is what I'd have expected to find.
I say again, there is no mention of non-standard bolts or bushes in the Sylva build manual.
Bit of a wild, off the wall suggestion, here, but if this has been bothering you since January, have you thought about maybe asking the man who designed it?
I say again, there is no mention of non-standard bolts or bushes in the Sylva build manual.
Bit of a wild, off the wall suggestion, here, but if this has been bothering you since January, have you thought about maybe asking the man who designed it?
the problem came up a few days ago when i received the new TCA´s.
with the original posting i "only" wanted to investigate which donor parts sylva used...but i never thought to replace the tca´s...until i found the updated version of the adjustable ones on the rallydesign web-page.
today i visited a friend who owns also a sylva phoenix, but with standard (outboard) shocks and sylva-made (square-tube) tca´s.
interestingwise sylva used 1/2 inch bolts there.
when i bought the car i stayed in contact with jeremy from sylva...but after several questions about the chassis, body and rollbar he stopped communicating with me. whatever i asked-->no reply.
with the original posting i "only" wanted to investigate which donor parts sylva used...but i never thought to replace the tca´s...until i found the updated version of the adjustable ones on the rallydesign web-page.
today i visited a friend who owns also a sylva phoenix, but with standard (outboard) shocks and sylva-made (square-tube) tca´s.
interestingwise sylva used 1/2 inch bolts there.
when i bought the car i stayed in contact with jeremy from sylva...but after several questions about the chassis, body and rollbar he stopped communicating with me. whatever i asked-->no reply.
Edited by Comadis on Sunday 23 March 20:04
Comadis said:
today i visited a friend who owns also a sylva phoenix, but with standard (outboard) shocks and sylva-made (square-tube) tca´s.
interesting wise sylva used 1/2 inch bolts there.
Yep, that's the model I have, which is why I didn't offer to measure mine for you... completely different upright (Vauxhall Chevette instead of Ford Escort) and fabricated TCS, so not a valid comparison with your car. interesting wise sylva used 1/2 inch bolts there.
Like I said, your best solution is to ring Jeremy Phillips.
@sam: the bolts cant be 1/2 inch as 12,7mm is: 5/8” UNF
by the way: i found an intersting ebay shop with all kinds of rosejoints, spacers etc...:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/5-8-Misalignment-Spacers-PAC...
by the way: i found an intersting ebay shop with all kinds of rosejoints, spacers etc...:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/5-8-Misalignment-Spacers-PAC...
Edited by Comadis on Monday 24th March 19:18
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