Well, Iv cancelled EVO.

Well, Iv cancelled EVO.

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fesuvious

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5,571 posts

191 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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On reading that 'Performance Car' is to be revived* Iv cancelled my subscription to EVO.

Will now be taking delivery of PPC, Classic&Sportscar, and, once on sale Il be buying P-Car.

Sorry EVO, I know you've made an effort in the latest issue to re-engage the readership with the sub £1000 racers but the damage is done. And I know you have made an effort with cars like the Panda. However, it just wasn't enough.

I don't have a six figure bank account, I don't have a six figure salary, and I don't have the means to consider buying the cars that you test. Ok, slight lie, I do have the means, but only once they are a couple of years old. And even then they'd still be too expensive to be a sensible purchase. I consider £20>30k a sensible maximum range for a car.

I love reading tests of cars. In fact, Id love to read tests of the cars that you have. I don't want to read over and over the phrase 'heel & toe'. I don't want to read about how much you are enjoying the scenery. I don't want to feel like im out there on that expensive little jaunt that you have blagged.

To read about these brand new cars is fine. It'd just be nice if you'd mixed it up a little bit, y'know, had the 10k heroes, the 20k heroes, and even the £3k heroes. You aren't going to effect that sort of test though because you've been spoilt with the 'new metal'

I just wanna read about cars.

I don't feel that you cater for me. Not anymore.

Il be back, no doubt, these things always come back around, no doubt you'll find a direction that I believe in at some point.

And wait for the howls of disagreement.......

  • see other thread, not started by me. 'Performance Car' in name only, not the original cast (obviously) is coming back to the shelves
Edited by fesuvious on Thursday 10th January 17:22

r5gttgaz

7,897 posts

170 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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I just read through the last issue (cult cars) and thought it was a great return to form.

Its definitely got my interest again, didn't notice as many adverts either.

MrKipling43

5,788 posts

166 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Nah, I'm kinda with you tbh.

The thing that I've found irritating is their new habit of wasting seven pages on a car they haven't even driven... case in point, Vantage V12 RS.

What's this about Performance Car being revived? You put an asterisk, but no explanation!

Jderh

6,222 posts

157 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Who's saying it's going to be the same as old Performance Car?? I know we all want it to be, but what says it will be??

If it is the same as before, I am looking forward to it.

John D.

12,899 posts

159 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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MrKipling43 said:
What's this about Performance Car being revived?
Assume he means this thread: http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...

I missed Performance Car first time around but it looks like I might need another subscription soon....

Doubt I'll be cancelling my EVO sub, still enjoy every issue. But I can see the OPs' point.

Kermit power

24,376 posts

163 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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PPC was a real revelation to me! I'd not even noticed it until they featured the ZT260 in it, and that was done as a "bargain buy now" a couple of years after MGR went bust, so sounds like just the sort of article the OP is after.

rallycross

10,626 posts

187 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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A lot of the content in EVO reads as if it were written by spotty little teenagers, find it difficult to take seriously the way a lot of it is written.

CAR is a much better read.

fesuvious

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5,571 posts

191 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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rallycross said:
A lot of the content in EVO reads as if it were written by spotty little teenagers, find it difficult to take seriously the way a lot of it is written.

CAR is a much better read.
Can't agree with you on that Im afraid.

Id not sayspotty teenagers. However much of it does read as though the writer is more keen to massage his own ego than provide a good test of a car.

Either that or its just blatant, in your face, 'my jobs better than your job'. Im having fun on Harry's money.

And, come to think of it, theres a little of the 'hooray henry' about some of the pieces.

Mr John Barker and Mr Richard Porter I excuse you from my rant. Iv enjoyed everything JB has ever written, and enjoyed most of what Mr Porter has written albeit that his writings have nothing to do with my main problem with the magazine.

Heebeegeetee

26,782 posts

198 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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rallycross said:
CAR is a much better read.
D'you reckon? I stopped buying CAR a long time ago, but bought this months purely to read the Ari Vatenen article. There's nowt else of interest, i like columns in mags but the three this month are nonsense. Ari has some *fascinating* things to say, but we only get a small bit, though we do get some lovely big pictures of him. rolleyes

Don't buy EVO every month but i do prefer it. One thing though: it says 'the thrill of driving' on the cover, but gives such little detail about the drives they go on. Its mostly road tests.


Twincam16

27,646 posts

208 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Evo is brilliantly written and sumptuously photographed. However, I feel it has become the victim of its own success. Thanks to a humungous budget and many dangled corporate pennies, they have a near-constant stream of unobtanium available.

Practical Classics, on the other hand, seem to have the right idea about budget, but they also have to please to wide an audience, some of whom think that a Hillman Avenger is far to modern and complex to be featured in a self-respecting classic car magazine and will bang on about it weekly in the letters pages, and will demand at least one MG B in every issue.

What we need is a magazine that sits between Practical Classics and Evo. Hopefully Performance Car will be it.

We need some good columnists to 'make it' as well. Clarkson started off at PC.

derestrictor

18,764 posts

211 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Twincam16 said:
...unobtanium...
hehe


Egbert Nobacon

2,835 posts

193 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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rallycross said:
A lot of the content in EVO reads as if it were written by spotty little teenagers, find it difficult to take seriously the way a lot of it is written.

CAR is a much better read.
I don't agree about CAR, but I do feel that EVO has lost something in the last year. I have just read this months mag and have been recently re reading old copies from a few years ago and the older ones seem to have much better/more interesting written content. Its not so much what they are testing/reviewing but the journalistic effort put into writing about it seems less enthusiastic somehow.

All mags seem to go through cycles of good and bad and I hope EVO is just in a dip at the moment and not on the permanent downward trend that afflicted CAR from 2002 onwards.


cjm

467 posts

218 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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fesuvious said:
rallycross said:
A lot of the content in EVO reads as if it were written by spotty little teenagers, find it difficult to take seriously the way a lot of it is written.

CAR is a much better read.
Can't agree with you on that Im afraid.

Id not sayspotty teenagers. However much of it does read as though the writer is more keen to massage his own ego than provide a good test of a car.

Either that or its just blatant, in your face, 'my jobs better than your job'. Im having fun on Harry's money.

And, come to think of it, theres a little of the 'hooray henry' about some of the pieces.

Mr John Barker and Mr Richard Porter I excuse you from my rant. Iv enjoyed everything JB has ever written, and enjoyed most of what Mr Porter has written albeit that his writings have nothing to do with my main problem with the magazine.
I really like John Barker's writing but he doesn’t seem to do a massive amount any more or not nearly as much as he seemed to when Evo first came out. It was his writing I recognized from PC when I picked up the first issue of Evo in John Menzies years ago.



Dakkon

7,809 posts

203 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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I appreciate what some of you are saying but for me, I actually like to read about cars that perhaps I cannot afford to appreciate them more.

fesuvious

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5,571 posts

191 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Dakkon said:
I appreciate what some of you are saying but for me, I actually like to read about cars that perhaps I cannot afford to appreciate them more.
and theres nothing wrong with that.

The point is that EVO all too frequently give us an account of how jolly nice it is hooning across the alps in the latest RS / V12 / Turbo instead of informing us all about the car itself.

All too often it feels like my mate has sent me a postcard from some hedonistic resort full of little frimpits in the Bahamas, only he has posted it directly to my 2 room chalet at Butlins.

matt21

3,618 posts

154 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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love evo but dont have the excitement i used to have when it arrives frown

LukeBird

17,156 posts

159 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Twincam16 said:
Evo is brilliantly written and sumptuously photographed. However, I feel it has become the victim of its own success. Thanks to a humungous budget and many dangled corporate pennies, they have a near-constant stream of unobtanium available.
That I think, hits the nail absolutely on the head...
I do enjoy it very much and buy every month (I haven't renewed, yet....) and it is great for reading about la-la-land, but where are the suggestions for my next car, as someone has said, the 10k heroes??
Absolutely stunning photography, I am genuinely amazed when I see it. thumbup

Twincam16

27,646 posts

208 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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fesuvious said:
Dakkon said:
I appreciate what some of you are saying but for me, I actually like to read about cars that perhaps I cannot afford to appreciate them more.
and theres nothing wrong with that.

The point is that EVO all too frequently give us an account of how jolly nice it is hooning across the alps in the latest RS / V12 / Turbo instead of informing us all about the car itself.

All too often it feels like my mate has sent me a postcard from some hedonistic resort full of little frimpits in the Bahamas, only he has posted it directly to my 2 room chalet at Butlins.
yes

Also, they judge everything by the standards of these cars, so even if a particular car is extremely good at what it does, but is second-hand or not earth-splittingly powerful, it's immediately seen as a bit down-at-heel or 'showing its age now'. WTF? Surely a good car is a good car regardless, due to its unique qualities?

I'm a bit tired of flipping it open to basically be told 'everything you can afford is rubbish, you should spend a piffling £26k more and buy this thing that bankrupts OPEC instead, or else you aren't a proper car nut'. I'd rather feel good about what I can afford.

fridaypassion

4,762 posts

178 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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Its not how it used to be blah blah blah

Evo is a fantastic publication. Sure they feature loads of 100k plus cars TBH that doesnt particularly interest me either but the writing and photography are second to none.

I guess it depends what you want out of it. PPC is entertaining but IMO its full of the sort of stuff you see posted all the time on forums anyway so I tend to just buy now and again.

I find it difficult to understand how any magazine could engage more with its readership given that its consistantly a very engaging read weather your in the market for a new Ferrari or not its nice to be in the passenger seat when they are testing it!

MrKipling43

5,788 posts

166 months

Thursday 10th January 2008
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And if Catchpole mentions heel-toeing again, in any context other than my prefered 'the pedals are in a good place for...", then I think I will probably start tearing my beard out.

I think that's the problem, it's become more about the experience of the journos than their experience of the car. They've taken gonzo journalism (look it up) to such an extreme that the stories are almost entirely narrative - there's a significant lack of information.