Early Diablo vs Late Countach
Discussion
Discuss...
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I feel like an o-level examiner!
I have been told by GE that as a developed product, a late Countach could well prove to be a more reliable / solid ownership experience than an early Diablo.
I don't think I can go for a later 98+ Diablo...
I think the situation I am in is this - I know I could get the car... I need to establish if I can keep / run it!
I am not stranger to idiosyncratic cars and am not looking for the niggle-less, sanitised experience of (say) a porker.
I currently have a 1986 Lotus Turbo Esprit (which I have to admit I am not entirely certain I can bring myself to part with yet - so this may be hypothetical) So I am used to no power steering (I hate it anyway) and a car with creaks, groans, handbuilt idiosyncracies and the resultant, general character and soul! I have had continuous, horrendous bills (3 top / bottom end rebuilds etc)
I guess the usual horror stories are what concern me - £5k clutches that last 20 minutes... gearbox rebuilds running at £10k! etc etc
As owners - what have your experiences been?
I would be REALLY interested in hearing from anyone who has had both a Countach and a Diablo and their thoughts.
Thanks all...
Robin
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I feel like an o-level examiner!
I have been told by GE that as a developed product, a late Countach could well prove to be a more reliable / solid ownership experience than an early Diablo.
I don't think I can go for a later 98+ Diablo...
I think the situation I am in is this - I know I could get the car... I need to establish if I can keep / run it!
I am not stranger to idiosyncratic cars and am not looking for the niggle-less, sanitised experience of (say) a porker.
I currently have a 1986 Lotus Turbo Esprit (which I have to admit I am not entirely certain I can bring myself to part with yet - so this may be hypothetical) So I am used to no power steering (I hate it anyway) and a car with creaks, groans, handbuilt idiosyncracies and the resultant, general character and soul! I have had continuous, horrendous bills (3 top / bottom end rebuilds etc)
I guess the usual horror stories are what concern me - £5k clutches that last 20 minutes... gearbox rebuilds running at £10k! etc etc
As owners - what have your experiences been?
I would be REALLY interested in hearing from anyone who has had both a Countach and a Diablo and their thoughts.
Thanks all...
Robin
Diablo get a Diablo 
My experience is limited Robin, but as i said on the phone the Diablo has an amazing presence.
The countach is lovely, but i think you should just keep in on your wall.
there are plenty of independants out there that will look after it well.
so as long as you buy well (buy the best one you can) and look after it it is unlikely to cost more than the Esprit has...you might even get to drive it in the summer!
there's a wealth of knowledge on this forum, and the informed opinions wont be far behind!
The countach is lovely, but i think you should just keep in on your wall.
there are plenty of independants out there that will look after it well.
so as long as you buy well (buy the best one you can) and look after it it is unlikely to cost more than the Esprit has...you might even get to drive it in the summer!
there's a wealth of knowledge on this forum, and the informed opinions wont be far behind!
Hi Robin,
First of all - welcome to the dark side!!
I have an 86 model year QV Countach.
Please don't be too put with all the horror stories you hear about Lambo's (Countach's and Diablo's).
Yes of course they can be expensive when they go wrong.
As for clutch's - if you drive correctly they WILL last for ages. The method I adopt is to pull away at/on idle, once the clutch is all the way up you can give it the beans!!!
If you want to smoke it away from the lights all the time - be prepared to dig deep in to your pockets!!
As for heavy clutch pedals - mine is no heavier than any other car I have driven!!
As for what is the better car - hmmmm thats a tricky one!
IMO - A VERY late Countach may be a better buy than a VERY early Diablo. But please remember these cars are hand built - and no two cars are the same!
I would have thought that a 98my Diablo would be GREAT!
Which ever you decide to get - talk to as many people you can about the car you are thinking of buying, most cars are known by us club members - and may be able to offer a lot of advice so you pick up the right car.
Hope this helps
Ian
First of all - welcome to the dark side!!
I have an 86 model year QV Countach.
Please don't be too put with all the horror stories you hear about Lambo's (Countach's and Diablo's).
Yes of course they can be expensive when they go wrong.
As for clutch's - if you drive correctly they WILL last for ages. The method I adopt is to pull away at/on idle, once the clutch is all the way up you can give it the beans!!!
If you want to smoke it away from the lights all the time - be prepared to dig deep in to your pockets!!
As for heavy clutch pedals - mine is no heavier than any other car I have driven!!
As for what is the better car - hmmmm thats a tricky one!
IMO - A VERY late Countach may be a better buy than a VERY early Diablo. But please remember these cars are hand built - and no two cars are the same!
I would have thought that a 98my Diablo would be GREAT!
Which ever you decide to get - talk to as many people you can about the car you are thinking of buying, most cars are known by us club members - and may be able to offer a lot of advice so you pick up the right car.
Hope this helps
Ian
I have a Countach Anniversary which I bought last May. I bought the Countach because it is my boyhood dream car. I did consider a Diablo as I love them too (well, I love just about all Lambo's TBH) but decided I really wanted a Countach.
Either car has enormous road presence and a huge grin factor. I will be doing as much of the maintenance and repair work myself as I can. It's comforting to know I don't have ABS, fuel injection, ECU etc. Only electronics is the ignition box which will go pop one day - but is fine so far. It'll be replaced with a modified MSD one when it does as I'm reliably informed they are much more reliable.
My car had just under 2K miles on it when I bought it. Lots of people are put off by this, but I was assured it would be serviced and fully checked by the selling dealer. I also spoke to Mike Pullen about it and he reckoned that if I'd looked at it and all seemed fine then not to worry and to go for it. I've now covered around 750 miles in it without a single serious hitch. Only problems I've had:
1) the hot/cold air selector cable snapped - lack of use and I was able to shorten the cable and re-use - no cost.
2) drivers seat back would not adjust on the recline (electric). Removed it and found it would never have worked from the factory as the motor was mounted a little out of true - modified motor mounts and all sorted - no cost.
3) throttle so stiff it was almost unusable. I now know they're all like that (RHD ones anyway). I stripped mine out, lubed it and polished moving parts, it's now a lot better than it was, and from what I hear it's better than most others. It's also improving with use. I have something in mind to make it much better: a slight redesign which I'll look into before the weather gets better.
I also plan to do a decent service on it very soon. It was done in May but I'll change all fluids (coolant/brake/clutch/oil) so I will know when it was done for certain.
I'm very pleased with my car and can't see me ever wanting to sell it. It runs beautifully and doesn't leak a drop of oil - something I'm told is unusual, and doubly so as it's running 5/40 Shell Helix synthetic. Something I plan to remedy with the use of a proper 10/40 semi-synthetic when I do the oil change.
My research before I bought suggested that a Countach is actually a pretty tough and reliable car when cared for properly. The general maintenance is do-able by a reasonable DIY-er (are these valid words
). The owners handbook even includes instructions on how to change brake/clutch fluid, oil, and even to balance the carbs ! It's as if Lambo themselves expect you to work on it 
Either car has enormous road presence and a huge grin factor. I will be doing as much of the maintenance and repair work myself as I can. It's comforting to know I don't have ABS, fuel injection, ECU etc. Only electronics is the ignition box which will go pop one day - but is fine so far. It'll be replaced with a modified MSD one when it does as I'm reliably informed they are much more reliable.
My car had just under 2K miles on it when I bought it. Lots of people are put off by this, but I was assured it would be serviced and fully checked by the selling dealer. I also spoke to Mike Pullen about it and he reckoned that if I'd looked at it and all seemed fine then not to worry and to go for it. I've now covered around 750 miles in it without a single serious hitch. Only problems I've had:
1) the hot/cold air selector cable snapped - lack of use and I was able to shorten the cable and re-use - no cost.
2) drivers seat back would not adjust on the recline (electric). Removed it and found it would never have worked from the factory as the motor was mounted a little out of true - modified motor mounts and all sorted - no cost.
3) throttle so stiff it was almost unusable. I now know they're all like that (RHD ones anyway). I stripped mine out, lubed it and polished moving parts, it's now a lot better than it was, and from what I hear it's better than most others. It's also improving with use. I have something in mind to make it much better: a slight redesign which I'll look into before the weather gets better.
I also plan to do a decent service on it very soon. It was done in May but I'll change all fluids (coolant/brake/clutch/oil) so I will know when it was done for certain.
I'm very pleased with my car and can't see me ever wanting to sell it. It runs beautifully and doesn't leak a drop of oil - something I'm told is unusual, and doubly so as it's running 5/40 Shell Helix synthetic. Something I plan to remedy with the use of a proper 10/40 semi-synthetic when I do the oil change.
My research before I bought suggested that a Countach is actually a pretty tough and reliable car when cared for properly. The general maintenance is do-able by a reasonable DIY-er (are these valid words
). The owners handbook even includes instructions on how to change brake/clutch fluid, oil, and even to balance the carbs ! It's as if Lambo themselves expect you to work on it (sound of old gramophone being cranked up)
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Robin
Whichever Lamborghini you go for, whether an early/late Couniablo, a late/early Diabélago the best thing to do is talk to other owners and people with experience of all of them.
The best way to do all that and get a proper feel for the cars is to
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JOIN LAMBORGHINI CLUB UK!!
you should have an email from me soon!
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Robin
Whichever Lamborghini you go for, whether an early/late Couniablo, a late/early Diabélago the best thing to do is talk to other owners and people with experience of all of them.
The best way to do all that and get a proper feel for the cars is to
(sound of very loud trumpets and an incredibly long drum roll)
JOIN LAMBORGHINI CLUB UK!!
you should have an email from me soon!
XXVIII said:
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Robin
Whichever Lamborghini you go for, whether an early/late Couniablo, a late/early Diabélago the best thing to do is talk to other owners and people with experience of all of them.
The best way to do all that and get a proper feel for the cars is to
(sound of very loud trumpets and an incredibly long drum roll)
JOIN LAMBORGHINI CLUB UK!!
you should have an email from me soon!
told you Robin (sound of needle dropping onto scratchy record)
(sound of distant violins and polite throat-clearing)
Robin
Whichever Lamborghini you go for, whether an early/late Couniablo, a late/early Diabélago the best thing to do is talk to other owners and people with experience of all of them.
The best way to do all that and get a proper feel for the cars is to
(sound of very loud trumpets and an incredibly long drum roll)
JOIN LAMBORGHINI CLUB UK!!
you should have an email from me soon!
, and on medication lol. Wouldnt be without a Diablo in my garage. But in truth buy any Lamborghini and smiles per mile is what its all about 
Hi Robin, we have met at an east london meet. 99SV. With either car buy the best you can find and get it thoroughly inspected. Mike Pullen is the man and very very reasonable. You really have to drive both as it would be unfair to suggest which is better. By that I mean both are an event to drive and you have to decide which style of event you prefer.
Having done a fair few miles in an LP400S, a 93 Diablo and the 99SV plus having raced an anniversary around Rockingham against a testarossa. I would have to say my favourite is the 93 car. That was very very fast. Brakes on either cars leave a lot to be desired unless you buy a late car. Gary who owns these cars (we share all what we own) in truth I think preffered the Countach.
Having done a fair few miles in an LP400S, a 93 Diablo and the 99SV plus having raced an anniversary around Rockingham against a testarossa. I would have to say my favourite is the 93 car. That was very very fast. Brakes on either cars leave a lot to be desired unless you buy a late car. Gary who owns these cars (we share all what we own) in truth I think preffered the Countach.
forget that we are talking about lambo's for a minute.
surely in general terms a model at the end of its life cycle would have had the majority of its quirks & short comings engineered out of it, as opposed to a new model with all its quirks & short comings waiting to be discovered?
however, in 2008, i guess it would depend entirely on the individual car & the upgrades it has recieved & the life it has led.
my choice would be a well fettled countach anniversary over an early diablo every day of the week, simply because i dont believe the diablo realised its potential until a good few years into its model life with the SE30's, SV's, etc etc.
surely in general terms a model at the end of its life cycle would have had the majority of its quirks & short comings engineered out of it, as opposed to a new model with all its quirks & short comings waiting to be discovered?
however, in 2008, i guess it would depend entirely on the individual car & the upgrades it has recieved & the life it has led.
my choice would be a well fettled countach anniversary over an early diablo every day of the week, simply because i dont believe the diablo realised its potential until a good few years into its model life with the SE30's, SV's, etc etc.
I own a 1986 Countach QV and Diablo 6.0 but have previously owned a Countach LP400, 1988 Countach QV and 1992 Diablo.
There are a number of things to consider in the choice of late Countach v early Diablo: in terms of build quality the Countach is ahead - the early Diablos were not well finished and quite crude in places. This only really improved with the 1998-on Diablos (the 6.0 especially) and these cars are more desirable alas yet more expensive. The early Diablos in RHD have an extremely heavy clutch (mine was LHD and much better) - however as has been mentioned RHD Countaches suffer from a sticky throttle.
Other differences to consider - the early Diablos are very quick (light) and will leave a Countach quite easily; they are also bigger and do not shrink around you like the Countach. The early Diablo had shockingly poor brakes considering the performance but better air con that a Countach!
I think the only way to decide is to drive both (easier said than done). For me I would have a Countach QV (I'm not a fan of the Anniversary but its each to their own) over an early Diablo. Values will also hold better and it will be easier to sell if you need to (perish the thought!).
Good luck
Craig
There are a number of things to consider in the choice of late Countach v early Diablo: in terms of build quality the Countach is ahead - the early Diablos were not well finished and quite crude in places. This only really improved with the 1998-on Diablos (the 6.0 especially) and these cars are more desirable alas yet more expensive. The early Diablos in RHD have an extremely heavy clutch (mine was LHD and much better) - however as has been mentioned RHD Countaches suffer from a sticky throttle.
Other differences to consider - the early Diablos are very quick (light) and will leave a Countach quite easily; they are also bigger and do not shrink around you like the Countach. The early Diablo had shockingly poor brakes considering the performance but better air con that a Countach!
I think the only way to decide is to drive both (easier said than done). For me I would have a Countach QV (I'm not a fan of the Anniversary but its each to their own) over an early Diablo. Values will also hold better and it will be easier to sell if you need to (perish the thought!).
Good luck
Craig
My choice was easy - it just involved the heart.
A dream for many years. The Countach. The iconic supercar.
I just really wanted the Countach - as long as it wasn't red or white!
Just lucky I found a blue Anniversary.One amazing car - but i REALLY wanted one.
You're having to make choices for completely different reasons, may be more practical ones
Make sure you fit in the car- not as stupid as it sounds.
If you want it to hold it's value better, may be the Countach
If you want to be in the 200mph club try the Diablo
Just try and talk to those who have them but it's so much easier if you have an in-built passion.
In the end though I'm sure you'll enjoy either. They're just amazingly mad cars that make you grin from ear to ear!
Good luck
A dream for many years. The Countach. The iconic supercar.
I just really wanted the Countach - as long as it wasn't red or white!
Just lucky I found a blue Anniversary.One amazing car - but i REALLY wanted one.
You're having to make choices for completely different reasons, may be more practical ones
Make sure you fit in the car- not as stupid as it sounds.
If you want it to hold it's value better, may be the Countach
If you want to be in the 200mph club try the Diablo
Just try and talk to those who have them but it's so much easier if you have an in-built passion.
In the end though I'm sure you'll enjoy either. They're just amazingly mad cars that make you grin from ear to ear!
Good luck
Paul Dennis said:
Guys
Just say, my 85 Countach is coming up for 100,000Km. After 15 years ownership and only 1 clutch I still love it. I've tried Diablos and Murcielagos but I can't part with it. The only solution is to have both, all you have to do is choose which one first!
Paul Dennis! That's the man I was talking about in an earlier thread - ex PCGB Kent Region man - do you still own the Martini Turbo car too Paul? Just say, my 85 Countach is coming up for 100,000Km. After 15 years ownership and only 1 clutch I still love it. I've tried Diablos and Murcielagos but I can't part with it. The only solution is to have both, all you have to do is choose which one first!
Thanks for all the advice and input so far guys... You've all been really helpful.
Don't stab me for this.... (!)
Do you guys with Countachs get many (any) sarcy or pig ignorant eejuts aking you if it's a kit car?! :-o
I know how frustrated I get when plebs mistake my Eprit (silver) for a DeLorean... and I think *that* level of ignorance applied to a Countach would require regular beating! lol
The factor of holding its value I think matters a bit too... Do you guys think Diablo prices are still falling?
Has anyone made an educated estimate where they think they will stop?
There is also another very real issue I need to consider - Getting either into my garage! It's down a medium-steep driveway!
Don't stab me for this.... (!)
Do you guys with Countachs get many (any) sarcy or pig ignorant eejuts aking you if it's a kit car?! :-o
I know how frustrated I get when plebs mistake my Eprit (silver) for a DeLorean... and I think *that* level of ignorance applied to a Countach would require regular beating! lol
The factor of holding its value I think matters a bit too... Do you guys think Diablo prices are still falling?
Has anyone made an educated estimate where they think they will stop?
There is also another very real issue I need to consider - Getting either into my garage! It's down a medium-steep driveway!
Edited by evil_dr_fish on Sunday 13th January 12:39
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wil call to speak soon, just as soon as my hangover clears after yesterday evening!
This must be close to front page news in many ways and in many areas!!!
Welcome to here mate - have you tried the LCUK corner/ghetto.suburb/palace of this incredible webbyforumthingummy as yet?
wil call to speak soon, just as soon as my hangover clears after yesterday evening!
Robin -
since I bought my Countach Anniversary in May I haven't encountered many people asking if it's a real one. I was expecting to be asked that a lot but it hasn't happened. My take on it is that I really don't care if people assume it's a kit - in truth there are very few Countachs around and I think it's almost natural for people to assume it's a kit.
I had one guy at a pub ask me if my car is a real Countach or replica. He had a bet with his mate and lost a tenner. He didn't think the chance of a real Lambo being in the car park was very high. When all said and done - I know it's real - so I don't care what others think. I have found an enormous amount of friendly attention when out in it though - all smiles, waves, people taking pictures etc., and no unpleasantness at all so far.
Values - the Countach is appreciating now. The Anniversary is the lower price model as the earlier ones are preferred by many. That said, the Anniversary is, according to a lot of reports I've read, the better car to drive due to better seats, better air-con etc. There were actually a huge number of changes on an Anniversary from the previous QV, far beyond the obvious cosmetic ones. I can't comment further as I have only ever driven my car, so have no marker to compare it against. I suspect the early Diablo will be a harder car to sell for a while yet. Having said that, the trend with older classic cars is that the early models end up more pricey and desirable due to being the original car. The Countach is a prime example of this. So who knows, in a good few years maybe the Diablo will go the same way - but I suspect it will be a long wait yet.
I've had no issues with ground clearance - the Anniversary is spec'd as having 5" clearance - I'd say that's about right.
since I bought my Countach Anniversary in May I haven't encountered many people asking if it's a real one. I was expecting to be asked that a lot but it hasn't happened. My take on it is that I really don't care if people assume it's a kit - in truth there are very few Countachs around and I think it's almost natural for people to assume it's a kit.
I had one guy at a pub ask me if my car is a real Countach or replica. He had a bet with his mate and lost a tenner. He didn't think the chance of a real Lambo being in the car park was very high. When all said and done - I know it's real - so I don't care what others think. I have found an enormous amount of friendly attention when out in it though - all smiles, waves, people taking pictures etc., and no unpleasantness at all so far.
Values - the Countach is appreciating now. The Anniversary is the lower price model as the earlier ones are preferred by many. That said, the Anniversary is, according to a lot of reports I've read, the better car to drive due to better seats, better air-con etc. There were actually a huge number of changes on an Anniversary from the previous QV, far beyond the obvious cosmetic ones. I can't comment further as I have only ever driven my car, so have no marker to compare it against. I suspect the early Diablo will be a harder car to sell for a while yet. Having said that, the trend with older classic cars is that the early models end up more pricey and desirable due to being the original car. The Countach is a prime example of this. So who knows, in a good few years maybe the Diablo will go the same way - but I suspect it will be a long wait yet.
I've had no issues with ground clearance - the Anniversary is spec'd as having 5" clearance - I'd say that's about right.
Robin
imo - Diablo prices have now hit the bottom of the value curve, anything less than low £40k's is a car asking to be broken for bits or rebuilt... Certainly, apart from complete sh*tters, they are all holding value at prices around £45k or more unless they are panic sales due to impending smallperson additions or even people who think having a bigger house is any kind of substitute for having a Lamborghini!!
Also, as some folk will confirm, an early spec. Diablo with decently upgraded brakes and with any other matter ironed out will be a joy forever, especially if you find one sub-£50k... Who needs power steering??? (you big weeds!) or lightweight clutches??? (get to the gym!!!)
I reckon the only way is up for the early Diablos, price-wise and now I have that scrawny bleach-head's crappy dance tune in my head - you are to blame, I will duff you up should we meet!!
imo - Diablo prices have now hit the bottom of the value curve, anything less than low £40k's is a car asking to be broken for bits or rebuilt... Certainly, apart from complete sh*tters, they are all holding value at prices around £45k or more unless they are panic sales due to impending smallperson additions or even people who think having a bigger house is any kind of substitute for having a Lamborghini!!
Also, as some folk will confirm, an early spec. Diablo with decently upgraded brakes and with any other matter ironed out will be a joy forever, especially if you find one sub-£50k... Who needs power steering??? (you big weeds!) or lightweight clutches??? (get to the gym!!!)
I reckon the only way is up for the early Diablos, price-wise and now I have that scrawny bleach-head's crappy dance tune in my head - you are to blame, I will duff you up should we meet!!
This year should be an interesting year if you are looking to buy soon.
The credit problems, for what ever reason, are evident in the top end market.The number of young Lamborghini's and Ferrari's etc currently for sale is staggering.
In the older end of the market the supply is of course shrinking.
When i was looking to buy a few months ago there were only a hand full of Countach's and a much larger number of early Diablo's if that's what i had wanted.
I'm well satisfied with the one I have and many who have seen some of the others have commented that I should be! This leads me to believe that finding a really good one at a price that might suit you could start to run away with you soon. I have been made offers considerably more than I gave for my car already and have been told of one coming available soon in that same price bracket.
I'm not sure what you're looking to pay and if you would prefer, for the money,to own a younger car.
It was commented earlier about 'I want one badly' is not a valid reason in choosing. I myself would disagree and here's why it could or should come into play.
If after thought you actually like the idea of a Countach (whatever model). You find your perfect car- the one in the condition that you can live with (there will be a few you couldn't for the money- just ask and people will point them out to you!) you could well soon be asked to pay anything up to and even beyond 70k.
For that sort of money you could currently get a 99my SV and it will not be long before you can get a Murcielago.In their desperation to dig themselves out of credit holes they may soon be sub 80k.In the states they are already below this.
So as you can see you have lots of choice, maybe more than you think. If you have the passion you will always stay true to your heart and buy the car you have always wanted other wise you WILL be disappointed. If you just want pure value per Hp and a Lamborghini then off you go and have fun choosing this year because it may surprise you.It would still tempt me.I have one but to add a 6 vt - that would be heaven, the last of each generation and the most developed of their breeds.
The credit problems, for what ever reason, are evident in the top end market.The number of young Lamborghini's and Ferrari's etc currently for sale is staggering.
In the older end of the market the supply is of course shrinking.
When i was looking to buy a few months ago there were only a hand full of Countach's and a much larger number of early Diablo's if that's what i had wanted.
I'm well satisfied with the one I have and many who have seen some of the others have commented that I should be! This leads me to believe that finding a really good one at a price that might suit you could start to run away with you soon. I have been made offers considerably more than I gave for my car already and have been told of one coming available soon in that same price bracket.
I'm not sure what you're looking to pay and if you would prefer, for the money,to own a younger car.
It was commented earlier about 'I want one badly' is not a valid reason in choosing. I myself would disagree and here's why it could or should come into play.
If after thought you actually like the idea of a Countach (whatever model). You find your perfect car- the one in the condition that you can live with (there will be a few you couldn't for the money- just ask and people will point them out to you!) you could well soon be asked to pay anything up to and even beyond 70k.
For that sort of money you could currently get a 99my SV and it will not be long before you can get a Murcielago.In their desperation to dig themselves out of credit holes they may soon be sub 80k.In the states they are already below this.
So as you can see you have lots of choice, maybe more than you think. If you have the passion you will always stay true to your heart and buy the car you have always wanted other wise you WILL be disappointed. If you just want pure value per Hp and a Lamborghini then off you go and have fun choosing this year because it may surprise you.It would still tempt me.I have one but to add a 6 vt - that would be heaven, the last of each generation and the most developed of their breeds.
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