Labours Justice
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paranha

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633 posts

273 months

Mg6b

6,649 posts

294 months

Sunday 13th January 2008
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rolleyes

Tagging does not work. Criminals regularly ignore the fact they are tagged and breach conditions of their bail/orders. At any time I may be looking at 30 or 40 breaches of bail or tagging orders every month, in a town of a population of around 100,000. Some from offenders who breach on a daily basis.

Police are then tasked to round them up and they spend a night in police cells for production in court the following day where they produce a sob story for the reasons of breach and are then let go again.

When eventually they are rounded, the courts simply slap their wrists and re-institute their tagging orders that are again breached the very same day because generally, the courts are reluctant to sentence with deterrent sentences because the prisons are already heaving to bursting point.

herewego

8,814 posts

244 months

Sunday 13th January 2008
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Ball and chain?

i want an aero

642 posts

237 months

Sunday 13th January 2008
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bloody joke, how many crimes do they have to comit before they get sent down?. only then to be set free with a tag

Jasandjules

72,683 posts

260 months

Sunday 13th January 2008
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Plenty of room in jail for little old ladies who don't pay council tax.

We really should be rioting in the streets about this farcical excuse for a Govt.

eldar

25,345 posts

227 months

Sunday 13th January 2008
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Jasandjules said:
Plenty of room in jail for little old ladies who don't pay council tax.

We really should be rioting in the streets about this farcical excuse for a Govt.
Can't do that, you need a licence first.

esselte

14,626 posts

298 months

Sunday 13th January 2008
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eldar said:
Jasandjules said:
Plenty of room in jail for little old ladies who don't pay council tax.

We really should be rioting in the streets about this farcical excuse for a Govt.
Can't do that, you need a licence first.
And don't you have to give the police a week's notice....smile

Jasandjules

72,683 posts

260 months

Sunday 13th January 2008
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esselte said:
And don't you have to give the police a week's notice....smile
No worries, 1.9% they'll be out there with us.

And needing permission to protest, if that isn't a prime example of the Scum's "Justice" I don't know what is.

FishFace

3,790 posts

239 months

Sunday 13th January 2008
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Jasandjules said:
Plenty of room in jail for little old ladies who don't pay council tax.
No there aren't. Hardly any are in there. Have a look at the National Office Of Statistics / Ministry Of Justice for prison statistics.

There aren't enough prison spaces. They are obviously going to find other ways to ease this. No Government wants to build prisons whilst the problem develops under their watch.

EU_Foreigner

2,838 posts

257 months

Monday 14th January 2008
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Yes there are, maybe not in overal total numbers but the fact that there are any is wrong. Just like there was space for Jonathan Aitken and Jeffrey Archer. Real dangerous people ...

Edited by EU_Foreigner on Monday 14th January 10:35

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

248 months

Monday 14th January 2008
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Prisons being so full is causing a lot of trouble in the Justice system as a whole, and especially in the ability of Prisons to rehabilitate people to live crime free when they're released.

There is still spare capacity in a lot of the low catagory, open prisons, and because of this higher risk prisoners are being given Catagory D status so they can spend the last few weeks there when normally they would not be suitable.

Prisoners who misbehave in Prison are no longer given additional days or having their early release privelages removed, which is causing a discipline problem.

Prisoners considered too violent for Home Detention Curfew (tagging) early release are being released early anyway under the 18 day rule, without needing to be tagged!

All the while the support services inside prison and out (such as Probation, who're responsible for monitoring released prisoners) are running beyond capacity and therefore find it very difficult to deal with offenders breaking release conditions.


Whilst the prison system is so full the entire workings of the prison system, from sentencing through rehabilition to supervision is totally and utterly compromised.