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I've just been speaking to a high standing member of Lancashire County Council about a road in Preston.
He's admitted to me that the speed of the road is fast AND that it is confusing what the speed limit is, i.e. dual carriageway, central reservation heading away from town. The only indication are street lamps. The road furniture varies between only hedges on both sides to some non-residential buildings.
Further on a warning sign is in place to advise motorist of a Max Speed 30 for a left hand bend. Thus making you think to slow down at this point.
Thus I put it to him that the road was not properly signposted and causes driver confusion. He agreed but replied that "they (as in Lancashire Road Safety Partnership - which he is a member of) cannot do anything about the road until there are more fatalities or serious injuries.
The police used to have a mobile speed trap at the site but this has been stopped since they park on Chevrons and stand on a blind bend.
HOW WOULD ANY OF YOU FEEL IF YOU HAD BEEN DONE ON THIS ROAD? Well I have! and to top it all off after my IAM test pass I am still confused as hell over the speed limit. If I can quote the Highway Code rule 103:
"You MUST NOT exceed the maximum speed limits for the road and for your vehicle (see the table below). Street lights usually mean that there is a 30 mph speed limit unless there are signs showing another limit"
SO STREET LIGHTS USUALLY MEAN 30MPH? HOW HELPFUL IS THAT!!!!!!!
He's admitted to me that the speed of the road is fast AND that it is confusing what the speed limit is, i.e. dual carriageway, central reservation heading away from town. The only indication are street lamps. The road furniture varies between only hedges on both sides to some non-residential buildings.
Further on a warning sign is in place to advise motorist of a Max Speed 30 for a left hand bend. Thus making you think to slow down at this point.
Thus I put it to him that the road was not properly signposted and causes driver confusion. He agreed but replied that "they (as in Lancashire Road Safety Partnership - which he is a member of) cannot do anything about the road until there are more fatalities or serious injuries.
The police used to have a mobile speed trap at the site but this has been stopped since they park on Chevrons and stand on a blind bend.
HOW WOULD ANY OF YOU FEEL IF YOU HAD BEEN DONE ON THIS ROAD? Well I have! and to top it all off after my IAM test pass I am still confused as hell over the speed limit. If I can quote the Highway Code rule 103:
"You MUST NOT exceed the maximum speed limits for the road and for your vehicle (see the table below). Street lights usually mean that there is a 30 mph speed limit unless there are signs showing another limit"
SO STREET LIGHTS USUALLY MEAN 30MPH? HOW HELPFUL IS THAT!!!!!!!
gro said:
So this would imply lit sections of Motorway are also 30mph. By my definition Dual Carriage Way=NSL unless otherwise indicated...
Ahh well you see this is where it gets interesting. If street lights are placed not more than 200 yards apart from each other then it is deemed to be a 30mph - irespectively. Thus even if you have only travelled a few hundred yards on the road and haven't been presented with a repeater sign you should immediately get on those brakes (safely of coarse) and assume it's a 30mph.
What a load of b
s!It is actually quite simple, although a load of total c0bblers, the 30 mph zone is the only speed limited zone (other than some NSL) that does NOT have speed restriction repeater signs, this is law. As I mentioned earlier, it is a load of c0bblers. To me it requires more frequent speed restriction repeater signs, because the road is deemed to be unsafe above 30 mph.
Just spoke with my lawyer, there is apparently some precendence set in law whereby some guy got done for 43 in a 30 limit although he did not receive any points, just a fine. He claimed that the change from a 40 limit to a 30 was unclear and the magistrate accepted it. However as he was doing 3 miles over the 40 he still had to be punished!
Anyway, it turns out that a few more of these issues have popped up in court where people are complaining that changes in speed limit are not clearly stated - even if there are street lights.
IMO - The rule concerning street lights needs to be extended and repeater signs in 30mph would be far better than no signs at all. It's stupid that the most unsafe place to do over 30mph is the place where signs are not apparent. AND if the Highway code is to be taken literally then it is self states "USUALLY means a 30mph" - HOW DEFINATE IS THAT!!!!
Anyway, it turns out that a few more of these issues have popped up in court where people are complaining that changes in speed limit are not clearly stated - even if there are street lights.
IMO - The rule concerning street lights needs to be extended and repeater signs in 30mph would be far better than no signs at all. It's stupid that the most unsafe place to do over 30mph is the place where signs are not apparent. AND if the Highway code is to be taken literally then it is self states "USUALLY means a 30mph" - HOW DEFINATE IS THAT!!!!
toad_oftoadhall said:
If there are no repeaters you are either in a 60 or a 30.
It's often possible to guess which from the context.
Something I use if on a street where there are street lights but no repeaters is check if there are any signs when passing a side road.
If there are, say, 30 signs at the entrance to the side road then you must be on a 40 (at least) if nothing then its a 30.
HTH
Mind you t'other year a road on the way to work was signed totally illegally. Depending upon from which direction you approached the road you could have genuinely (and legally) thought you were on a 30, 40 or NSL (60). Spoke to the local highway partnership mob and they were as much use as a chocolate fireguard.
Flat in Fifth said:
If there are no repeaters you are either in a 60 or a 30.
It's often possible to guess which from the context.
If there are, say, 30 signs at the entrance to the side road then you must be on a 40 (at least) if nothing then its a 30.
Welcome back FinF!
Yeah. Got told that little technique on my bike DAS. Obvious yet I had never thought of it...
Just goes to demonstrate the Safety Partnership policy is simply based on statistics and has no real connection to real everyday life.
Action should be taken when a hazard is identified not when the hazard has proved it self and 'justified' the erection of a cash-machine and the usual high-horse
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Action should be taken when a hazard is identified not when the hazard has proved it self and 'justified' the erection of a cash-machine and the usual high-horse
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Okay as defined to me by BiB and re-affirmed repeater bit by council highway robber:
If street Lights and NO repeaters it's a 30. They CANNOT use repeaters in a normally lit 30 limit. (i.e. lights not more then specified distance apart)
If no lights they need to use repeaters for a 30.
If any other limit repeaters must be used. ( I think Motorway's are excluded)
So if they're no repeaters it must be a 30.
Mud = Clear ?
If street Lights and NO repeaters it's a 30. They CANNOT use repeaters in a normally lit 30 limit. (i.e. lights not more then specified distance apart)
If no lights they need to use repeaters for a 30.
If any other limit repeaters must be used. ( I think Motorway's are excluded)
So if they're no repeaters it must be a 30.
Mud = Clear
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