73-year old arrested for shouting at yobs stoning ducks
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Daily Telegraph said:
Pensioner who shouted at yobs ends up in cells
A pensioner who stepped in to stop youths throwing stones at ducks on a canal was arrested by police.
Bill Marshall was expecting officers to investigate his complaints about being repeatedly taunted by the gang. Instead the 73-year-old great-grandfather was taken to a cell and accused of attacking the teenagers.
Mr Marshall, who has a heart condition and diabetes, was left distressed and angered by the arrest.
The retired miner said that he thought the police had been responding to his complaints about anti-social behaviour by some local youths.
"I was quite happy to invite the officer in but then he said I was being arrested and taken to the station accused of assault," Mr Marshall said.
"I thought it was a joke at first but then I realised he was perfectly serious.
"The officer ordered me to take the laces out my shoes as I was being arrested for common assault. I didn't know what to think. One of the yobs said I had hit him and so they took his word against mine. I might have lost my temper and shouted at them, but I did not hit anybody.
"I just lost my temper - I think any normal human being would have done after being spoken to like that.
"There's a different mentality out there these days and you have to be so careful what you say. There is no respect these days, particularly for older people. It took 73 years for an idiot to put me in jail. All I did was try to stop these louts throwing rocks at the ducks on the canal.
"I felt degraded spending time in that cell. I can't believe I ended up in jail at my age. I've never seen the inside of a cell before and I don't want to see it again. The police seemed to automatically assume I was guilty instead of talking to me first."
Mr Marshall of Worksop, Notts, had complained to police that he and his wife, Margaret, 72, had been targeted by the gang in recent months. He said: "It started for us with kids ringing the doorbell. When my wife opened the door one of the boys was making really lewd gestures."
Mr Marshall's brush with the law began a week before Christmas, when he spotted the group of teenage boys throwing bricks at the ducks as he walked along the banks of the Chesterfield Canal.
He shouted at them to stop. He said he received abuse from the gang and shouted back in anger but did not touch or hit any of them.
When police arrived at his home two weeks later he assumed it was in response to complaints he had made about anti-social behaviour in the village.
He was shocked to be arrested and taken off to the police cells. After waiting two hours for a duty solicitor to arrive, Mr Marshall was interviewed by officers who later released him pending further inquiries.
Now police have dropped any charges and apologised.
Chief Insp Glenn Harper of Nottinghamshire Police said the arresting officer acted correctly but added: "I will ensure the necessary training needs are addressed."
What next? Arrested for tutting under your breath when a yobbo vandalises your car?A pensioner who stepped in to stop youths throwing stones at ducks on a canal was arrested by police.
Bill Marshall was expecting officers to investigate his complaints about being repeatedly taunted by the gang. Instead the 73-year-old great-grandfather was taken to a cell and accused of attacking the teenagers.
Mr Marshall, who has a heart condition and diabetes, was left distressed and angered by the arrest.
The retired miner said that he thought the police had been responding to his complaints about anti-social behaviour by some local youths.
"I was quite happy to invite the officer in but then he said I was being arrested and taken to the station accused of assault," Mr Marshall said.
"I thought it was a joke at first but then I realised he was perfectly serious.
"The officer ordered me to take the laces out my shoes as I was being arrested for common assault. I didn't know what to think. One of the yobs said I had hit him and so they took his word against mine. I might have lost my temper and shouted at them, but I did not hit anybody.
"I just lost my temper - I think any normal human being would have done after being spoken to like that.
"There's a different mentality out there these days and you have to be so careful what you say. There is no respect these days, particularly for older people. It took 73 years for an idiot to put me in jail. All I did was try to stop these louts throwing rocks at the ducks on the canal.
"I felt degraded spending time in that cell. I can't believe I ended up in jail at my age. I've never seen the inside of a cell before and I don't want to see it again. The police seemed to automatically assume I was guilty instead of talking to me first."
Mr Marshall of Worksop, Notts, had complained to police that he and his wife, Margaret, 72, had been targeted by the gang in recent months. He said: "It started for us with kids ringing the doorbell. When my wife opened the door one of the boys was making really lewd gestures."
Mr Marshall's brush with the law began a week before Christmas, when he spotted the group of teenage boys throwing bricks at the ducks as he walked along the banks of the Chesterfield Canal.
He shouted at them to stop. He said he received abuse from the gang and shouted back in anger but did not touch or hit any of them.
When police arrived at his home two weeks later he assumed it was in response to complaints he had made about anti-social behaviour in the village.
He was shocked to be arrested and taken off to the police cells. After waiting two hours for a duty solicitor to arrive, Mr Marshall was interviewed by officers who later released him pending further inquiries.
Now police have dropped any charges and apologised.
Chief Insp Glenn Harper of Nottinghamshire Police said the arresting officer acted correctly but added: "I will ensure the necessary training needs are addressed."
Streaky
what u get for employing tards, the lads told the officer that the old guy had hit them, young lads never lie, so the old guy must be guilty. takes an older officer with some intelligence ?, to guess that possibly the old guy is telling the truth and releases him
might be good if the police get some common sense training
might be good if the police get some common sense training
[Devils advocate]Or maybe he's an old bastard, and the correct course of action was taken all the way through by the bib? We don't know what really happened, and the bib would have heard tales from both sides of the dispute.
Sometimes I really don't buy these 'Poor old folks, nasty youths' stories that the media love to outrage us with. There could be two scenarios and two conclusions to this, but we are steered in the direction of only one by the media, when the Polices actions would suggest otherwise maybe?[/Devils advocate mode]
Sometimes I really don't buy these 'Poor old folks, nasty youths' stories that the media love to outrage us with. There could be two scenarios and two conclusions to this, but we are steered in the direction of only one by the media, when the Polices actions would suggest otherwise maybe?[/Devils advocate mode]
Balmoral Green][Devils advocate said:
Or maybe he's an old bastard, and the correct course of action was taken all the way through by the bib? We don't know what really happened, and the bib would have heard tales from both sides of the dispute.
Sometimes I really don't buy these 'Poor old folks, nasty youths' stories that the media love to outrage us with. There could be two scenarios and two conclusions to this, but we are steered in the direction of only one by the media, when the Polices actions would suggest otherwise maybe?[/Devils advocate mode]
Hush. a few paragraphs tell us EVERYTHING we need to know. Old people can do no wrong to younger people, don't you know? Sometimes I really don't buy these 'Poor old folks, nasty youths' stories that the media love to outrage us with. There could be two scenarios and two conclusions to this, but we are steered in the direction of only one by the media, when the Polices actions would suggest otherwise maybe?[/Devils advocate mode]
The thing is though, we are lied to and misled all the time, by media, and the knee jerk reaction perpetuates it. I have no idea whether the old boy hit one of the youths or not, do you? they may well have been lying, attack is the best form of defence and all that, maybe they had been antagonising him, or perhaps he did t
t one of them, and they probably deserved it.
The thread title itself is a cracking example of how newspeak will automatically mislead for example...
'73-year old arrested for shouting at yobs stoning ducks'
No, completely, totally, absolutely 100% untrue, that is a lie. Read it and think about what it says? Of course it's duplicitous bollox, shouting at yobs isn't a crime or an offence is it? whether they were stoning ducks or not. So how could the bib arrest him for it? The answer is that they didn't, so the headline is a lie. We accept these lies all the time, from media, or even from streaky in his thread title (no offence mate).
The 73 year old was arrested because once the bib had made enquiries, they had grounds to believe an assault had taken place, even if that was just the lads lying through their teeth, that was the reason he was arrested. They had to bring him in and sort it out.
Feck, I need to get out
t one of them, and they probably deserved it.The thread title itself is a cracking example of how newspeak will automatically mislead for example...
'73-year old arrested for shouting at yobs stoning ducks'
No, completely, totally, absolutely 100% untrue, that is a lie. Read it and think about what it says? Of course it's duplicitous bollox, shouting at yobs isn't a crime or an offence is it? whether they were stoning ducks or not. So how could the bib arrest him for it? The answer is that they didn't, so the headline is a lie. We accept these lies all the time, from media, or even from streaky in his thread title (no offence mate).
The 73 year old was arrested because once the bib had made enquiries, they had grounds to believe an assault had taken place, even if that was just the lads lying through their teeth, that was the reason he was arrested. They had to bring him in and sort it out.
Feck, I need to get out
Well if we can believe the part which says the Police released him without charge, apologised and then admitted they needed to address a training shortfall, this seems to suggest the Police were in the wrong, no?
Otherwise, we will have to assume the whole story is a work of fiction and not accept any of it being true. Who knows?
Otherwise, we will have to assume the whole story is a work of fiction and not accept any of it being true. Who knows?
Balmoral Green said:
The thing is though, we are lied to and misled all the time, by media, and the knee jerk reaction perpetuates it. I have no idea whether the old boy hit one of the youths or not, do you? they may well have been lying, attack is the best form of defence and all that, maybe they had been antagonising him, or perhaps he did tt one of them, and they probably deserved it.
The thread title itself is a cracking example of how newspeak will automatically mislead for example...
'73-year old arrested for shouting at yobs stoning ducks'
No, completely, totally, absolutely 100% untrue, that is a lie. Read it and think about what it says? Of course it's duplicitous bollox, shouting at yobs isn't a crime or an offence is it? whether they were stoning ducks or not. So how could the bib arrest him for it? The answer is that they didn't, so the headline is a lie. We accept these lies all the time, from media, or even from streaky in his thread title (no offence mate).
The 73 year old was arrested because once the bib had made enquiries, they had grounds to believe an assault had taken place, even if that was just the lads lying through their teeth, that was the reason he was arrested. They had to bring him in and sort it out.
Feck, I need to get out
No offence taken, but to quote from the report:t one of them, and they probably deserved it.The thread title itself is a cracking example of how newspeak will automatically mislead for example...
'73-year old arrested for shouting at yobs stoning ducks'
No, completely, totally, absolutely 100% untrue, that is a lie. Read it and think about what it says? Of course it's duplicitous bollox, shouting at yobs isn't a crime or an offence is it? whether they were stoning ducks or not. So how could the bib arrest him for it? The answer is that they didn't, so the headline is a lie. We accept these lies all the time, from media, or even from streaky in his thread title (no offence mate).
The 73 year old was arrested because once the bib had made enquiries, they had grounds to believe an assault had taken place, even if that was just the lads lying through their teeth, that was the reason he was arrested. They had to bring him in and sort it out.
Feck, I need to get out
"Mr Marshall's brush with the law began a week before Christmas, when he spotted the group of teenage boys throwing bricks at the ducks as he walked along the banks of the Chesterfield Canal.
He shouted at them to stop. He said he received abuse from the gang and shouted back in anger but did not touch or hit any of them."
Perhaps I should have said "bricking ducks" ... but that might have been misunderstood by those on here to whom "bricking" is a vernacular I have only recently understood.
Streaky
Ah, the boys in blue do the UK proud once more.
I'm willing to bet they didn't arrest the youths for throwing stones at the ducks, nor arrested the youths when the old fellow said they were abusing him as well......
As for those saying this isn't the true story and old people are not as nice as they seem, I totally agree, I mean, I've seen one haughtily abuse Mr Blair until the security forces quite rightly forcibily removed him and then he was arrested and detained under terrorism charges. After all, if speaking out against HMG during a conference isn't terrorism, then what is....
And I heard a old lady beat up an innocent cyclist with her handbag too, but shockingly she wasn't arrested despite admitting doing it....
I'm willing to bet they didn't arrest the youths for throwing stones at the ducks, nor arrested the youths when the old fellow said they were abusing him as well......
As for those saying this isn't the true story and old people are not as nice as they seem, I totally agree, I mean, I've seen one haughtily abuse Mr Blair until the security forces quite rightly forcibily removed him and then he was arrested and detained under terrorism charges. After all, if speaking out against HMG during a conference isn't terrorism, then what is....
And I heard a old lady beat up an innocent cyclist with her handbag too, but shockingly she wasn't arrested despite admitting doing it....
Edited by Jasandjules on Saturday 19th January 12:42
Edited by Jasandjules on Saturday 19th January 12:43
Jasandjules said:
As for those saying this isn't the true story and old people are not as nice as they seem, I totally agree, I mean, I've seen one haughtily abuse Mr Blair until the security forces quite rightly forcibily removed him and then he was arrested and detained under terrorism charges. After all, if speaking out against HMG during a conference isn't terrorism, then what is....
I was just thinking of that incident actually. They should have used the 1908 Public Meetings act. Oh, flipping heck, here we go again...
If an allegation of assault is made and there is no independent evidence to disprove it, someone has to be spoken to about it.
The officers here may have dropped a bollock by arresting the old guy though- There is more than one way to skin a cat/stone a duck- Normally I would expect him to be invited in for an interview under caution and the matter looked at following the result of that.
However, perhaps he was not playing ball, therefore the arrest is necessary to investigate the matter...
Somehow though, with the CI talking about training needs I doubt it!
If an allegation of assault is made and there is no independent evidence to disprove it, someone has to be spoken to about it.
The officers here may have dropped a bollock by arresting the old guy though- There is more than one way to skin a cat/stone a duck- Normally I would expect him to be invited in for an interview under caution and the matter looked at following the result of that.
However, perhaps he was not playing ball, therefore the arrest is necessary to investigate the matter...
Somehow though, with the CI talking about training needs I doubt it!
Jasandjules said:
As for those saying this isn't the true story and old people are not as nice as they seem, I totally agree, I mean, I've seen one haughtily abuse Mr Blair until the security forces quite rightly forcibily removed him and then he was arrested and detained under terrorism charges. After all, if speaking out against HMG during a conference isn't terrorism, then what is....
And I heard a old lady beat up an innocent cyclist with her handbag too, but shockingly she wasn't arrested despite admitting doing it....
You should be a journalist, as you're doing it too. How does linking two unconnected events give more or less credence to this event? You are prejudicing this story, by making a connection with the others. But it's what journalists do, a bit like when a plane crashes, two other plane incidents, totally unconnected, will also be reported, when previously they wouldn't have been. They like to do things in threes.And I heard a old lady beat up an innocent cyclist with her handbag too, but shockingly she wasn't arrested despite admitting doing it....
carrotchomper said:
Oh, flipping heck, here we go again...
If an allegation of assault is made and there is no independent evidence to disprove it, someone has to be spoken to about it.
The officers here may have dropped a bollock by arresting the old guy though- There is more than one way to skin a cat/stone a duck- Normally I would expect him to be invited in for an interview under caution and the matter looked at following the result of that.
However, perhaps he was not playing ball, therefore the arrest is necessary to investigate the matter...
Somehow though, with the CI talking about training needs I doubt it!
If an allegation of assault is made and there is no independent evidence to disprove it, someone has to be spoken to about it.
The officers here may have dropped a bollock by arresting the old guy though- There is more than one way to skin a cat/stone a duck- Normally I would expect him to be invited in for an interview under caution and the matter looked at following the result of that.
However, perhaps he was not playing ball, therefore the arrest is necessary to investigate the matter...
Somehow though, with the CI talking about training needs I doubt it!
But then, you're being rational.
Have to say, i'm surprised it's a Telegraph piece, it reads more like the Wail
Balmoral Green said:
carrotchomper said:
Oh, flipping heck, here we go again...
If an allegation of assault is made and there is no independent evidence to disprove it, someone has to be spoken to about it.
The officers here may have dropped a bollock by arresting the old guy though- There is more than one way to skin a cat/stone a duck- Normally I would expect him to be invited in for an interview under caution and the matter looked at following the result of that.
However, perhaps he was not playing ball, therefore the arrest is necessary to investigate the matter...
Somehow though, with the CI talking about training needs I doubt it!
If an allegation of assault is made and there is no independent evidence to disprove it, someone has to be spoken to about it.
The officers here may have dropped a bollock by arresting the old guy though- There is more than one way to skin a cat/stone a duck- Normally I would expect him to be invited in for an interview under caution and the matter looked at following the result of that.
However, perhaps he was not playing ball, therefore the arrest is necessary to investigate the matter...
Somehow though, with the CI talking about training needs I doubt it!
But then, you're being rational.
Have to say, i'm surprised it's a Telegraph piece, it reads more like the Wail
but this issue is so bloody depressing when coupled with this, as highlighted on another thread.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnist...
Edited by Heebeegeetee on Saturday 19th January 13:12
Balmoral Green said:
You should be a journalist
I don't think I've ever been so insulted in my life...Thank goodness you didn't say politician or my head would have exploded..
I was simply pointing out that the Police do indeed arrest elderly gents with no real cause to do so. As with any story in the papers, how much of it is true is up for debate, but for those who thought it was complete lies, there is "previous"......
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