CO2 Taxation Is B***ocks !
Discussion
I have just purchased a van based on fuel economy and it's emmissions. Guess what - If it was a car it would cost £ 35.00/year but because it a van it's £ 175.00 This government, yet again is talking out of it's chuff. All they want to do is tax us any which way. Incentive to be 'green'. I think not. Comments please gentlemen (and ladies with a fruit based drink)
djtl said:
I have just purchased a van based on fuel economy and it's emmissions. Guess what - If it was a car it would cost £ 35.00/year but because it a van it's £ 175.00 This government, yet again is talking out of it's chuff. All they want to do is tax us any which way. Incentive to be 'green'. I think not. Comments please gentlemen (and ladies with a fruit based drink)
Snap!My wife exchanged her MK4 Golf R32 for the new MK5 R32 the road tax on her old car was £205 the new one is £300 same engine same co2 output so whats going on, save the planet my arse.The gready snipe nosed tressel legged grabbing hungery bastards are just finding more ways to screw the motoring public.
Edited by SEN 18 on Saturday 19th January 19:41
Give it a few years as low emission vehicles and small diesels become popular. The suddenly a top government scientist will proclaim 'they actually produce x, which is really bad for climate change.' so the whole system changes again to screw over all those who had been trying to save money. In 10-15 years you'll have perfectly roadworthy cars scrapped when the tax runs out (or more people just not paying it)
You know who started it all off the Sheriff of Nottingham,he robbed and taxed the poor to feed his army and his greedy self and so it went on.
So what have we today a Government with the police and the armed forces on their payroll to screw and rob the poor,absolutley nothing changes.
What can we do? "Don't vote for the bastards or find out where Guy Faulks decendants live see if they have any ideas what to do!!!!!".
So what have we today a Government with the police and the armed forces on their payroll to screw and rob the poor,absolutley nothing changes.
What can we do? "Don't vote for the bastards or find out where Guy Faulks decendants live see if they have any ideas what to do!!!!!".
Edited by SEN 18 on Monday 21st January 19:18
I agree the whole road tax thing is aload of crap. I was discussing the other day with a mate about the amount of newish low tax paying vehicles that you see on the motorway for example doing high speed (over 80mph = not within the optimum low emission output for a small engine). Now surely my 328 throws out less emissions per mile or whatever over a given distance and speed than a little engine thats revving its nuts off as my 328 is doing lower revs and isnt straining at the same road speeds. Its crazy imo. Its unfair that i get penalised more purely due to the engine size.
A fair way of pricing road tax would be to at renewal time base the price of the VED on the mileage that has been covered over the last 12 months (recorded by either the MOT ticket, logged at time of taxing, or by some other tamperproof method) instead of fixed prices no matter what miles you do. Which will penalise those who use their vehicles alot but currently pay peanuts, and will be alot fairer on those who dont use thier vehicle as much (ie helping car enthusiasts who have their everyday car and their weekend toy) but have to pay thru the roof each year for a few hundred miles. It would seem like a road pricing scheme - but its a fair non-invasive one, unlike the hair brain ideas of charging per mile with black boxes tracking your every journey. The idea has it flaws tho, which is unfortunate cos there'll be alot who give thier cars haircuts every now and again to evade higher prices. Its a no-win situation.
A fair way of pricing road tax would be to at renewal time base the price of the VED on the mileage that has been covered over the last 12 months (recorded by either the MOT ticket, logged at time of taxing, or by some other tamperproof method) instead of fixed prices no matter what miles you do. Which will penalise those who use their vehicles alot but currently pay peanuts, and will be alot fairer on those who dont use thier vehicle as much (ie helping car enthusiasts who have their everyday car and their weekend toy) but have to pay thru the roof each year for a few hundred miles. It would seem like a road pricing scheme - but its a fair non-invasive one, unlike the hair brain ideas of charging per mile with black boxes tracking your every journey. The idea has it flaws tho, which is unfortunate cos there'll be alot who give thier cars haircuts every now and again to evade higher prices. Its a no-win situation.
Madeira said:
I agree the whole road tax thing is aload of crap. I was discussing the other day with a mate about the amount of newish low tax paying vehicles that you see on the motorway for example doing high speed (over 80mph = not within the optimum low emission output for a small engine). Now surely my 328 throws out less emissions per mile or whatever over a given distance and speed than a little engine thats revving its nuts off as my 328 is doing lower revs and isnt straining at the same road speeds. Its crazy imo. Its unfair that i get penalised more purely due to the engine size.
A fair way of pricing road tax would be to at renewal time base the price of the VED on the mileage that has been covered over the last 12 months (recorded by either the MOT ticket, logged at time of taxing, or by some other tamperproof method) instead of fixed prices no matter what miles you do. Which will penalise those who use their vehicles alot but currently pay peanuts, and will be alot fairer on those who dont use thier vehicle as much (ie helping car enthusiasts who have their everyday car and their weekend toy) but have to pay thru the roof each year for a few hundred miles. It would seem like a road pricing scheme - but its a fair non-invasive one, unlike the hair brain ideas of charging per mile with black boxes tracking your every journey. The idea has it flaws tho, which is unfortunate cos there'll be alot who give thier cars haircuts every now and again to evade higher prices. Its a no-win situation.
Or just accept that we pay lots of tax per mile driven anyway, it is part of the cost of petrol..A fair way of pricing road tax would be to at renewal time base the price of the VED on the mileage that has been covered over the last 12 months (recorded by either the MOT ticket, logged at time of taxing, or by some other tamperproof method) instead of fixed prices no matter what miles you do. Which will penalise those who use their vehicles alot but currently pay peanuts, and will be alot fairer on those who dont use thier vehicle as much (ie helping car enthusiasts who have their everyday car and their weekend toy) but have to pay thru the roof each year for a few hundred miles. It would seem like a road pricing scheme - but its a fair non-invasive one, unlike the hair brain ideas of charging per mile with black boxes tracking your every journey. The idea has it flaws tho, which is unfortunate cos there'll be alot who give thier cars haircuts every now and again to evade higher prices. Its a no-win situation.
cheers
Graham
SEN 18 said:
So what have we today a Government with the police and the armed forces on their payroll to screw and rob the poor,absolutley nothing changes.
Well, on the payroll, but they are certainly doing their level best to ostracise the police and armed forces by treating them like dog poo.. Jasandjules said:
SEN 18 said:
So what have we today a Government with the police and the armed forces on their payroll to screw and rob the poor,absolutley nothing changes.
Well, on the payroll, but they are certainly doing their level best to ostracise the police and armed forces by treating them like dog poo.. Edited by ec523 on Friday 25th January 18:13
jellison said:
Just get a car older that 2001 and then it is pegged at 180 quid - why keep changing cars (drive me nuts - and older cars are faster as they are lighter - or easier to make faster
)
Heartily agree. My 1995 Rover Tomcat is fairly handy to drive, nicely appointed, superbly equipped and hugely reliable (Honda engine and gearbox). I'm in the process of supercharging it along with a few other mods that will give it M3 performance and do sod-all the the tax (but quite a bit to the insurance!))Better still, for the daily commute, I have a Yamaha DragStar 125 that looks the business, does 80mpg and costs £15 per year to tax.
Green taxes are bo
ocks and the people that pedal them wrs. There will be a reckoning one day...
Car hating cocks - that have it all paid for by us arethe type that bring this SH*t in.
My garage to avoid tax:-
63 TR4 - No Tax
71 TR6 - No Tax
1999 TVR Chim (but with 400bhp engine - stuff you) Pre tax Hike - 180 Quid
Occasional (fathers) Volvo V70 T5 2000 (Rocketship Towcar) Pre tax Hike - 180 Quid
When the Chim goes in the Spring annd when built 65 Griff200 - No Tax
Wifes / my everyday get me about 99 Puma - 180 Quid...
My garage to avoid tax:-
63 TR4 - No Tax
71 TR6 - No Tax
1999 TVR Chim (but with 400bhp engine - stuff you) Pre tax Hike - 180 Quid
Occasional (fathers) Volvo V70 T5 2000 (Rocketship Towcar) Pre tax Hike - 180 Quid
When the Chim goes in the Spring annd when built 65 Griff200 - No Tax
Wifes / my everyday get me about 99 Puma - 180 Quid...
Can't see the need for car tax.
If you want to penalise those who drive alot or those with inefficient vehicles then surely taxing fuel directly and abolishing other CO2 based 'stationary' taxes would be more equitable and cheaper to raise therby also cutting out some of the revenue sapping bureaucracy.
i.e. another couple of quid on the price of a gallon which would make people think more about usage at the point of usage. And while we are there an equivilent level of duty on aircraft fuel for all journeys starting or finishing in the EU for fairness.
If you want to penalise those who drive alot or those with inefficient vehicles then surely taxing fuel directly and abolishing other CO2 based 'stationary' taxes would be more equitable and cheaper to raise therby also cutting out some of the revenue sapping bureaucracy.
i.e. another couple of quid on the price of a gallon which would make people think more about usage at the point of usage. And while we are there an equivilent level of duty on aircraft fuel for all journeys starting or finishing in the EU for fairness.
Sorry, you need to be sectioned under the "1997 Making Sense on a public motoring forum (Amended 2007) Act".
Tax these gas guzzelers with a road fund licence of £3000. FFS Why? If it only does 5mpg, it pays TEN TIMES the amount of tax that a frugal runabout pays in fuel duty.
However, petrol is still, in real terms, cheaper than it was in 1980. Take average earnings then at around £100/week, now compare it to average earnings now at £500/week, a 5 x increase. Fuel has gone up by about 4.8 times. Therefore, it's cheaper..
Tax these gas guzzelers with a road fund licence of £3000. FFS Why? If it only does 5mpg, it pays TEN TIMES the amount of tax that a frugal runabout pays in fuel duty.
However, petrol is still, in real terms, cheaper than it was in 1980. Take average earnings then at around £100/week, now compare it to average earnings now at £500/week, a 5 x increase. Fuel has gone up by about 4.8 times. Therefore, it's cheaper..
DO YOU DRIVE A BAND G CAR IN LONDON? DO YOU WANT TO JOIN A LEGAL CHALLENGE TO KEN LIVINGSTONE'S NEW CONGESTION CHARGE?
London Mayor Ken Livingstone is increasing the London congestion charge for Band G vehicles to £25, up from the £8 charge people have to pay now. Residents who now pay 80p will instead have to pay £25 every time they drive in the zone.
This is clearly unfair. It will not help the environment and will just be an additional tax for large numbers of families across London.
If you are interested in joining a legal challenge to the Mayor's decision and you are willing to be contacted by a major interested party or its legal
representatives, please email congestionchargechallenge@yahoo.com leaving your name, contact telephone number, make and model of your car and state whether you live outside or within the Congestion Charge Zone.
What is a Band G car?
Band G refers to the Government's Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) classification which grades cars according to how much CO2 they produce. A car will fall within Band G if it emits more than 225 g/km of CO2. You can find out the banding of your car by following this link: http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk. The £25 charge will also apply to cars registered before 2001 with engines over 3,000 cc.
London Mayor Ken Livingstone is increasing the London congestion charge for Band G vehicles to £25, up from the £8 charge people have to pay now. Residents who now pay 80p will instead have to pay £25 every time they drive in the zone.
This is clearly unfair. It will not help the environment and will just be an additional tax for large numbers of families across London.
If you are interested in joining a legal challenge to the Mayor's decision and you are willing to be contacted by a major interested party or its legal
representatives, please email congestionchargechallenge@yahoo.com leaving your name, contact telephone number, make and model of your car and state whether you live outside or within the Congestion Charge Zone.
What is a Band G car?
Band G refers to the Government's Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) classification which grades cars according to how much CO2 they produce. A car will fall within Band G if it emits more than 225 g/km of CO2. You can find out the banding of your car by following this link: http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk. The £25 charge will also apply to cars registered before 2001 with engines over 3,000 cc.
Just do a little research into the political leanings of those that force these 'green' taxes on our cars and you will see a pattern forming. The lie that is Global Warming is the perfect excuse they need to shaft the rich and middle classes.
It's the same mentality that causes a jelous scum bag to run a nail down the side of a shiney new Audi parked near his house.
The fact still remains that us brits can do all we want to reduce our CO2 but the effect our tiny little island is going to have on the whole globe is so minimal you could argue it will have approximately zero effect! The notion that a £25 charge to Londons large vehicles is somehow going to help the planet is just utterly utterly senseless. It's going to be about as effective as picking a bogey out of your nose, flicking it out the car window then expecting the resulting weight reduction to improve your 0-60 time!
It's the same mentality that causes a jelous scum bag to run a nail down the side of a shiney new Audi parked near his house.
The fact still remains that us brits can do all we want to reduce our CO2 but the effect our tiny little island is going to have on the whole globe is so minimal you could argue it will have approximately zero effect! The notion that a £25 charge to Londons large vehicles is somehow going to help the planet is just utterly utterly senseless. It's going to be about as effective as picking a bogey out of your nose, flicking it out the car window then expecting the resulting weight reduction to improve your 0-60 time!
I'm sure that there is another tack for challenging this.
It is an infringement of my human rights that the regime has the cheek to charge me to visit the capital, in my chariot, to see the monarch of my nation, such that I do not afford the benefit of great wealth to replace my chariot because the evil Sheriff of London decree's that I should recycle my chariot long before it is worn out and in need of recylcing, such that I may purchase a new(er) chariot which may not be as ecologically sound as continuing with my perfectly able chariot.
That is it.
It is an infringement of my human rights that the regime has the cheek to charge me to visit the capital, in my chariot, to see the monarch of my nation, such that I do not afford the benefit of great wealth to replace my chariot because the evil Sheriff of London decree's that I should recycle my chariot long before it is worn out and in need of recylcing, such that I may purchase a new(er) chariot which may not be as ecologically sound as continuing with my perfectly able chariot.
That is it.
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